Halladay to Phillies, Lee to Seattle!
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If they have the chance to get Halladay now and Lee has to be part of the deal then so be it.
Sometimes timing just requires going in a slightly different direction.
A Halladay / Lee top of the rotation would be a killer.
<< <i>Halladay must be a happy man, going to a team with a great chance of making the playoffs each year. >>
I bet. Very happy for Halladay to go to a winning team, he's been in purgatory waaaaaaaay too long. Bet he doesn't sign with a losing team next winter either, no matter how good the money.
Lee to Seattle Huh? Imagine if they're able to keep Felix Hernandez, what a one - two punch that would be for the top of their rotation. With the Angels getting older & perhaps losing Lackey this would make the Mariners favorites to win that division in my opinion. Of course, it's a big "if" in regards to keeping Hernandez. I hope for their sake the Mariners' owners break out the checkbook. Would like to see Jr get to the postseason in what will likely be his final season.
Halladay and agent in Philadelphia UPDATED
Toronto Blue Jays pitcher Roy Halladay and his agent have checked into a Philadelphia-area hotel, according to two Inquirer sources.
It is not known if a trade sending Halladay to the Phillies is imminent, but if Halladay and the Phils are negotiating--as is indicated by the pitcher's presence in Philadelphia--that would suggest that the Phils and Blue Jays are far enough along in talks for Halladay to discuss a potential contract extension with the Phils. Halladay has one year remaining on his contract before becoming a free agent.
The Phils have long been linked to Halladay, and were actively involved in trade talks last July, before the team acquired lefthander Cliff Lee from Cleveland.
UPDATE, 3:04-- The plot thickens: Foxsports.com has added that the Phils are in talks regading a potential three-team deal that would send lefthander Cliff Lee to an unnamed club. This makes sense for a number of reasons:
--Lee is owed $9 million next year, and the Phils need to clear payroll to sign Halladay.
--Lee will be a free agent after this season, and if he tests the open market the Phils would find it difficult to re-sign him, given their already robust payroll.
--Acquiring Lee may net the Phils some of the prospects requried to complete a deal, without having to give up players like pitcher J.A. Happ and Kyle Drabek, outfielders Domonic Brown, Michael Taylor and Anthony Gose.
UPDATE, 5:03pm
Cliff Lee's agent, Darek Brauneker, says he has not heard anything from the Phillies, Blue Jays, Mariners or anyone else today.
Multiple reports--SI.com, I believe, was the first to confirm it--have Halladay and Lee involved in a three-way that would send Lee to Seattle. A bunch of other names are surfaced, but reports are conflicting--some have Domonic Brown going to Toronto, while others have it as Michael Taylor. Pitcher Phillippe Aumont would reportedly be going to Toronto from Seattle. It should be noted that none of this is confirmed. We know that both the Jays and Phils liked Brown more than Taylor in July.
Brauneker has spoken with Lee today. "He is obviously aware of the situation,' Braunker said. "There must be something to it."
Brauneker, understandably, treaded carefully when asked if Lee was disappointed. "He certainly enjoys being in Philadelphia. There was not much for him not to enjoy."
The Phils and engaged in preliminary talks about a contract extension last week. "We had a positive dialogue," the agent said. "All of the dialogue has been very positive on both sides."
Posted: Monday December 14, 2009 3:52PM; Updated: Monday December 14, 2009 5:58PM
Phils reach three-team deal to get Halladay, send Lee to M's
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Phillies have an agreement to land 2003 AL Cy Young winner Roy Halladay
The Phillies would send Cliff Lee to the Seattle Mariners as part of the trade
The trade is not expected to be completed until Tuesday at the earliest
By Jon Heyman, SI.com
The Phillies are in agreement on a three-team trade with the Mariners and Blue Jays to acquire star pitcher Roy Halladay while shipping Cliff Lee to Seattle, SI.com has learned.
Sources say Halladay is expected to agree to a contract extension to complete the deal in the next couple days. It is thought to be a formality, though terms are not yet clear. Halladay wanted to be in Philadelphia, as the Phillies train in Clearwater, Fla., not far from his offseason home.
The Phillies are sending prospects to Toronto to get Halladay, but it isn't known yet which players are in the deal. Philadelphia, which would also get prospects from Seattle, is trying to keep its payroll at around $140 million.
The Mariners are likely to be parting ways with Phillippe Aumont, a talented right-handed pitcher and Canadian native, in the trade, though it's not yet clear whether he would go to Toronto or Philadelphia. Another name being discussed as possiblye leaving Seattle is Michael Saunders, a speedy outfielder. It appears the Mariners are tying to keep 25-year-old righty Brandon Morrow out of the deal, which is not expected to be finalized on Monday due to its complexity.
Halladay had been targeted by the Phillies since last summer, but they were unable to reach a deal with Toronto for the ace righty. After failing to get Halladay, Philadelphia turned to Lee instead and he helped pitch the Phils to a second consecutive World Series appearance.
The Phillies picked up Lee's option for the 2010 season and had begun discussions with his agent, Darek Braunecker, on an long-term contract extension, but Lee indicated he would not be willing to give Philadelphia a home-town discount. The belief is that Halladay wanted to go to the Phillies badly enough that he is wiling to take a little less money than either Johan Santana or CC Sabathia, the pitching prizes of the past two offseasons. With Lee unwilling to take a discount, the Phillies were spurred to go after Halladay, who was more interested in a long-term deal with Philadelphia.
In acquiring Lee, the Mariners finally landed the ace they had been seeking. Lee won the 2008 AL Cy Young winner with the Indians and emerged as the Phillies ace last year after being dealt from Cleveland to Philadelphia just days before the July 31 deadline. Ironically, that trade only happened after the Phillies were unable to pry Halladay loose from the Blue Jays earlier that month. Lee went 7-4 with a 3.39 ERA after the trade, and then 4-0 with a 1.56 ERA in the postseason, including victories in Philadelphia's only two wins in the World Series.
Lee will be returning to the American League, where he won the 2008 Cy Young award. Halladay is also a former AL Cy Young winner, taking top honors in 2003 and finishing in the top five each of the past four seasons. Halladay went 17-10 with a 2.79 ERA in 2009, leading the American League with nine complete games and four shutouts.
One loser here is the Angels, who were interested in John Lackey and Halladay and missed out on both of them, with Lackey closing in on a deal with the Red Sox.
They can't trade and then possibly sign a player of Halladay's stature.
So basically they 'stole' Lee from the Indians and now have used him to get this guy.
What say you Stevek? Or is it a case that since a NY team is not involved everything is kosher?
Let the NY bashing begin.
Steve
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<< <i>not one mention of what the Blue Jays are getting
This morning it looks like the Jays get the Phils prospects; Drabek, Taylor and D'Arnaud.
Phils get Halladay, 6 mil from the Jays and a few prospects from Seattle.
Seattle gets Lee.
Strange that this version of the deal has nothing happening between Toronto and Seattle. What's the sense there then?
Has to be more to the story.
Unlike some Mets fans, I would be happy to accept a salary cap in MLB and see all MLB teams compete on a level playing field. But could ya imagine the stinkin' Mets front office trying to compete on a level playing field? How many games out of first place would the Mets be then? 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 or more?
Mets fans - No lollipop for you. LOL
It shows who the real hypocrite is around here.
If you truly felt the way you claim you would say this trade is not
in the best interests of baseball because smaller market teams can't do it.
Stop blaming the Mets for everything, no whining here, and certainly NO JEALOUSY just showing how
when a NY team goes out and buys a free agent or trades for someone
you whine like a baby, say how it is so wrong and baseball should not allow it.
Of course when the Phillies do it, it's ok, because they are just doing what the NY's and LA's and Boston's
of the baseball universe have done. You can't have it both ways.
It is either right or wrong. And stop assuming that I like baseball the way it is. That is another
error on your part, just because I can't agree with you that baseball should limit salaries does NOT
mean that I like it. I accept it, I also accept the fact that I have been PRICED out of going to a game.
So stop lumping me in with your imaginary NY fans that you claim love it the way it is. NO, many don't love it the way it is
especially those of us that won't or can't spend hundreds of dollars to see a game. What we do do is accept the economics of the game the way they are, after all
who the hell are we to say that a person should be restricted in what he makes?
Only a fool would say that baseball would be better with a salary cap. And since you keep insisting that it would be
just where would baseball place this cap? I think I've asked you that now quite a few times yet you never reply.
You only state how the Phillies were tired of being pushed around and now do the same things that you on the other side of your
mouth claim you despise.
It's ok Steve, just remember that about 12 teams could not do what the 7th highest payroll team can and has been doing.
I for see that rank to be moving up soon too. Then when it is in the top 5 you will somehow justify it with more of your spin.
Have a happy holiday season.
Just messing with you btw
Steve
<< <i>Typical non answer.
It shows who the real hypocrite is around here.
If you truly felt the way you claim you would say this trade is not
in the best interests of baseball because smaller market teams can't do it.
Stop blaming the Mets for everything, no whining here, and certainly NO JEALOUSY just showing how
when a NY team goes out and buys a free agent or trades for someone
you whine like a baby, say how it is so wrong and baseball should not allow it.
Of course when the Phillies do it, it's ok, because they are just doing what the NY's and LA's and Boston's
of the baseball universe have done. You can't have it both ways.
It is either right or wrong. And stop assuming that I like baseball the way it is. That is another
error on your part, just because I can't agree with you that baseball should limit salaries does NOT
mean that I like it. I accept it, I also accept the fact that I have been PRICED out of going to a game.
So stop lumping me in with your imaginary NY fans that you claim love it the way it is. NO, many don't love it the way it is
especially those of us that won't or can't spend hundreds of dollars to see a game. What we do do is accept the economics of the game the way they are, after all
who the hell are we to say that a person should be restricted in what he makes?
Only a fool would say that baseball would be better with a salary cap. And since you keep insisting that it would be
just where would baseball place this cap? I think I've asked you that now quite a few times yet you never reply.
You only state how the Phillies were tired of being pushed around and now do the same things that you on the other side of your
mouth claim you despise.
It's ok Steve, just remember that about 12 teams could not do what the 7th highest payroll team can and has been doing.
I for see that rank to be moving up soon too. Then when it is in the top 5 you will somehow justify it with more of your spin.
Have a happy holiday season.
Just messing with you btw
Steve >>
Steve - of course you know the smack is all in good fun...sports talk smack reminds me of those comedy club roasts...and here it's fellow coin and card collectors busting chops...and I have to admit that I enjoy it...LOL
The only thing that has ever truly bugged me from a member on this forum is when Grote15 does his Aesop's Fables analogies...that really makes me mad..."seriously"
<<< Have a happy holiday season. >>>
Same to you Steve.
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The Mets are looking at Kelvim Escobar and Fernando Rodney.
This will surely put them over the top.
Dave
60 million over 3 years means that payroll is going up, up, up.
But fear not Phillie Phans, you will just up the cap that you have in your heads as to
what is 'fair' for MLB and all will be well. Until that is a thread is started about the Yanks
and you will whine and shout about how they spend so much money and buy world championships.
Steve
It is sad to see Halladay move but I like the way the new GM Anthropoulous is taking the team. I have also read that the Jays are flipping Taylor to Oakland for Brett Wallace. A nice strong corner infielder to build around for the future with Aaron Hill. The Jays are looking a lot like the Rays did 3-4 years ago. Young, fast and ready to compete (in the future).
Here's hoping it all works. And hoping that they can dump the Wells contract at some point soon too!
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I'm not one to get into the salary cap and money argument, but weren't the Phils in the top 5 already?
It is worth noting that they are trading Lee because they can't afford to keep both. They could keep Lee for this year but they have not been able to reach a deal on an extension. There's some dispute as to why. Some say Lee will not negotiate and wants to test free agency after next year. Some say the parties have just not been able to agree.
Either way it looks as if Lee wants more in an extension than what the Phils will be paying Halladay. Speculation is that he's looking for CC Sabathia money.
They just cannot afford to keep both after next year and have let Lee go now rather than wait. It also frees up some money. Add to that the possibility that Toronto is paying some of Halladay's salary next year and the Phils may not be adding too much to the total at the moment. I understand that they want to stay at around 137 million(?).
No, they were not. In 08 they were 12th and in 09 they were 7th.
Kieth I know you don't get into the Payroll thing.
I have heard that Lee told them straight out that he wanted to test the free agent waters after next season.
While Halliday was more in favor of signing an extension. With the Phils he gets to go to a team that was in a WS
2 years in a row he must figure that they have a good shot at a third.
Steve
Welcome to NY.
Steve
The question is how many games out of first place will the Mets be this upcoming season? Last season it was over 20...do I hear 30? LOL
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How that is construed as giving up on a season that is months away from even starting is beyond me.
What? No, it's not fair talk that NY teams spend so much? Ohhhhh it's different now they are doing it too.
Sounds like spin to me.
Steve
You know things are bad when that is the best Stevek has to offer.
Just say it Steve, the Phillies are the problem, just like the other big spending teams.
Baseball needs a cap!!
Steve
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<< <i>How long has it been since the Eagles won a Super Bowl or an NFL chamnpionship for that matter? Was it before or after WWII? Rumor has it SteveK has some silent film footage from that last title game stored in his attic trunk... >>
Super Bowl and Eagles in the same sentence should be considered a typo. It's like oil and water. They just don't belong together.
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Jeff Francoeur is a very smart man.
Gee, the Phillies and the Eagles never moved. Why is that? Could it be Philadelphia fans are the greatest fans in the world, eternally loyal to their teams and we support our teams thru thick and thin - and our teams will never move, or play somewhere in another state like both the NY football teams do.
and oh my goodness I just noticed another NL baseball team the Giants used to play in NY but no longer do - they now play somewhere out in California. What the heck is going on?
<< <i>Gee, the Phillies and the Eagles never moved. Why is that? >>
Nobody else would take them!
Morning Steve
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<< <i>Gee, the Phillies and the Eagles never moved. Why is that? >>
Nobody else would take them!
Morning Steve
Don't you have some lawns to landscape? Quit bashing my Phillies and Eagles!
Morning Matt.
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<< <i>Gee, the Phillies and the Eagles never moved. Why is that? >>
Nobody else would take them!
Morning Steve
Don't you have some lawns to landscape? Quit bashing my Phillies and Eagles!
Morning Matt.
Off day.
However, I will be scraping some old, mold covered caulk off the tub today
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<< <i>Gee, the Phillies and the Eagles never moved. Why is that? >>
Nobody else would take them!
Morning Steve
Don't you have some lawns to landscape? Quit bashing my Phillies and Eagles!
Morning Matt.
Off day.
However, I will be scraping some old, mold covered caulk off the tub today
Uh oh...sounds like Tonya may be on the "household chores for Matt" warpath. LOL
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Robert Moses, who was the most powerful man in NYC at the time, blocked the Dodgers from getting the location they wanted to build a new stadium, and offered them the site where Shea Stadium now stands. That was unacceptable to the Dodgers. Since LA was desperate to get a team, they offered them the Chavez Ravine land at no cost. O’Malley needed another team to go with him, and the Giants were thinking of going to Minnesota, as they were losing money at the Polo Grounds, so he convinced Horace Stoneham(NY Giants owner) to go further west to SF, where Stoneham got a good deal almost similar to what O’Malley got in LA. Also keep in mind this was the beginning of the suburbs and affordable cross-country air travel.
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MLB was all in favor as it too wanted to expand cross country. 3 years later the Senators moved and became the Twins, a new franchise was awarded to Washington and the following year the Colt 45's were awarded the Texas
area and NY was again given a NL franchise. It had nothing to do with lack of fan interest for NL baseball in NY. Too bad you continue to spin and fail to discuss how the Sillies are now
spending so much money and hurting MLB just like you have always cried (the loudest) when a NY team was doing it. No baseball needs a salary cap coming from you now is there?
If you were true to your word you would be up in arms regarding paying someone 20 million a year, yet your silence speaks volumes. You are like the guy that says he is for a green America then flies off in
his private jet, gets picked up in a stretch hummer ( he is the only passenger) arrives home to his 40 room house that his wife (they live alone) has every damn light on. He goes into his 20x20 den with its 12 foot ceiling
and with the thermostat on 72 and a fire raging in the FP proceeds to write an op ed piece to the Washington Times on how the rest of us should live!
Steve
As for teams moving from Philly it would be only fair to mention the A's and the Philadelphia Stars (USFL).
Part of the A's problem was lack of support due to their poor record, bad business decisions, and the popularity of the Phillies -
"Lack of sufficient funds, absence of a full minor league system, the age of Connie Mack and the growing popularity of the Phillies in 1950 all contributed to empty seats at Shibe Park (re-named Connie Mack Stadium officially in 1953) Eventually, sons Roy and Earl Mack would buy controlling shares of the club from remaining Shibe family members and their half brother, Connie Mack Jr. To do so, they assumed a large mortgage. The debt load, coupled with the unfortunate decision to sell the concessions ( a major income source ) led to the sale of the club in 1954 to Arnold Johnson who moved the team to Kansas City despite several local efforts to buy the club which were not accepted by the American League."
<< <i>I'm in the middle of redoing our bathrooms too. Waiting for my new Multimaster type tool to be delivered. Makes removing caulk and grout much easier.
As for teams moving from Philly it would be only fair to mention the A's and the Philadelphia Stars (USFL). >>
Good luck Keith!
Last year I did this job with my finger nail, a plastic scraper and a squirt bottle of bleach
It looked great after I put the new caulk on but peeled off within weeks. I was highly upset. Somebody told me to go with a true silicon caulk this time to avoid that issue again.
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Yea, in our area you can't skimp on the caulk or grout. Need to get the goos stuff that resists mildew and seal that grout.
I have all tile showers. Makes me want to enclose both of them with those kits. Tired of caulking and grouting and chasing mildew.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Gee, the Phillies and the Eagles never moved. Why is that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because the Athletics and the Stars did instead. lol You should wikipedia before you
try and spout off some history Stevek, your spin is getting weak.
Face it Philly is a 1 team town, while NY is a 2 team town, what did Sinatra say? If you can make it here you can make it anywhere?
He ain't talking bout Philly.........................................lol
Phillies are now giving million dollar contracts to the 25th man. I think they are a big problem for baseball spending all that money
meanwhile small market teams get raped by the Phillies each year it seems. Lets do a lil math the Phils won the division by what 6 games?
I wonder (no I don't really) but how many games were Lee and Martinez over 500? hmmmmmm 7! Appears the Phillies are just as bad as the Yanks buying pennants.
Boy you can't make this crap up.
Steve