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Pan Pac $1 - Opinions?

WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
What do the gold experts say about this Pan Pac $1 gold????

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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    are you wondering if it's real or do you want a grade opinion?
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    real, 65 would be my non-expert opinion.

    edited to add: counterfeit, shows what I know about these.

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    WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    First, it is real? Here are a couple other closeup pics of markers.



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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am looking at a PCGS 65 example and I dont see the dots.

    Can posts pics if you like.
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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Here's mine for comparrison.

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    WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    counterfeit?
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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unless they used a couple die pairs....

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    Without seeing the coin in hand, my vote is counterfeit due to the overall mushiness of strike. A mintstate coin will be highly lustrous with a high quality strike. The example given has a mushy earlobe of the worker and lack of detail of the hair both behind and in front of the ear.

    However, if the coin is polished or has altered surfaces, this opinion would change.

    This coin was heavily counterfeiting in years past. Breen and Swiatek give a small, yet interesting writeup in their commemorative book on this coin.


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    I've been looking at a number of these lately. Shopping, again.

    I believe I'd have to pass on that piece.


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    kazkaz Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first thought on seeing the raised bumps was "counterfeit." I believe there are also toolmarks on the lower jaw, towards the right.
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    WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you all know what you're doing. Appears to be a very eye appealing counterfeit. Very well done .

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    Counterfeit.
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    coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    What is going on at the rim?
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    14 obverse and 19 reverse dies were shipped. I don’t know how many pair were used.
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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I am no expert by any means but my first thoughts were counterfiet.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin has been heavily counterfeited and this is one of them. The heavy reeding (probably broached), the tooling, and the raised bumps from trapped air bubbles created when the dies were cast are dead giveaways.

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good job spotting the funky reeding! I missed that one. A lot of fake gold dollars have that as well.

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