Yankees make HORRIBLE trade to get Curtis Granderson
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In the 3 way deal, Yankees will give up Ian Kennedy and Austin Jackson to get Curtis Granderson. BAD MOVE! Austin Jackson WILL be the next center field superstar. He is a 5 tool player that could have been the center of the future Yankees. And as much as I dont like Ian Kennedy, he has the stuff to be used for better trade bait than Granderson. Maybe Kennedy straight up for Granderson would have been ok...but Cashman is NUTS to let Austin Jackson go in a deal like this. I think he could have come up now and do just as well as Granderson will do and with less strikeouts and a better batting average!
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<< <i>...What will NYY have left as bait for a starter, other than lots of money... >>
After next season Cliff Lee, Halliday, and Beckett will be available for a price. I wouldn't worry about it if I were a Yanks fan.
Remember the Yankees can overcome this mistake by simply buying another outfielder when the time comes. Some teams cannot and that is a big deal.
It would be nice to see Jackson come up with the Yankees and be what some scouts suggest he will become, but I'd rather take my chances on a not yet 29 year old with a proven track history. If the Yankees still manage to sign Damon (at their number and length), then Granderson hits near the bottom of the order. If the Yanks can't get Damon at their terms, then Grandy plays LF and may become the #2 hitter and I cross my fingers that Kevin Long can get him to lay off the low inside pitch and be a little more patient at the plate and hang in against lefties.
In any respect, Granderson should put up some nice numbers playing in Yankee Stadium...
GOOD!!!
<< <i>I think it's a good move for the Yankees. They get immediate help. If any of the players they traded turn into stars, the Yankees will buy them back. The Yankees will never lack for talent under the current system. >>
Very true. Just like the Evil Empire they are. Steinbrenner is like the Emperor, Cashman is Darth Vader. That Austin Jackson kid is Luke Skywalker. When he grows up and realizes he has the force, he'll be summoned back to the Dark side. Cashman will cut his hand off but it will be ok, he'll just get a robot hand. Then Cashman's helmet will come off and Don Zimmer will be in there......
sorry, i didnt get much sleep last night
Edited to add - Looks like someone beat me to the comment.
<< <i>Austin Jackson will be a serviceable major league outfielder. Nothing more. Those claiming he's a 5-tool player and a budding superstar are buying into the hype. At best, he may end up being what Granderson already is. >>
Anyone remember the Yankee five tool outfielder and budding superstar back in the late 90's? Wily Mo Pena. He never turned out that good...
granderson is WAY BETTER than what the yanks had....matsui and DAMON...
amazing how the yanks keep getting better...
not many better young players than Granderson.....
the yankees finally remembered that prospects are just that PROSPECTS.....GRANDERSON IS A STUD
as a sox fan im jealous
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<< <i>Austin Jackson will be a serviceable major league outfielder. Nothing more. Those claiming he's a 5-tool player and a budding superstar are buying into the hype. At best, he may end up being what Granderson already is. >>
Anyone remember the Yankee five tool outfielder and budding superstar back in the late 90's? Wily Mo Pena. He never turned out that good... >>
I think you meant Ruben Rivera...
Most of all, Granderson is a character guy and a leader. After watching our season go down the tubes because our GM had to pull our #4 hitter from the drunk tank at 6:00 AM on the final Saturday of the season while the team was trying to protect a 2 game lead with 3 games to play, I'm frankly tired of character no longer being a consideration when putting together a professional sports team. Instead, the Tigers are considering Milton Bradley.
Personally, I hope Granderson gets a pile of rings in New York.
<< <i>Last year at this time, Granderson was poised to become the next Steve Yzerman / Barry Sanders / Alan Trammell in this town. He has one "bad" year (in which he was named to the All Star game) and he's gone. Instead of working on the casting for his statue at Comerica, the Tigers decide to trade the guy. And speaking of statues at Comerica Park, the Tigers will have one in LF and RF on most days, so hopefully this Austin Jackson guy is Usain Bolt with a glove.
Most of all, Granderson is a character guy and a leader. After watching our season go down the tubes because our GM had to pull our #4 hitter from the drunk tank at 6:00 AM on the final Saturday of the season while the team was trying to protect a 2 game lead with 3 games to play, I'm frankly tired of character no longer being a consideration when putting together a professional sports team. Instead, the Tigers are considering Milton Bradley.
Personally, I hope Granderson gets a pile of rings in New York. >>
All true, Tom, but I believe word came down from the Pizza Czar to trim payroll, and as sad as it may be Grandy and Jackson were the only two players on this God-forsaken roster who are making more than the league minimum and who had any trade value whatsoever. Hence, they're gone.
They probably could have jettisoned Cabrera to the Red Sox for a Youkilis+prospects deal, but other than that this was all they had. It's hard to believe that only three players with 7 or 8 figure salaries could be traded on a team with a nine figure payroll, but such is the poo poo platter that Dombrowski has dropped in our collective lap.
<< <i>The fact that Dontrelle Willis will make as much in 2010 as Edwin Jackson and Curtis Granderson combined and that Willis is the one still on the team tells me all I need to know about how the Tigers have been run the last couple of years. >>
It doesn't end there. Sick deals for Guillen and his gimpy knees, gas cans like Bonderman and Robertson, the Jurrjens-for-Renteria trade (which at the time didn't look terrible, I'll admit, although it's a move that's now clearly drawing shades of Smoltz-Alexander), cutting loose Carlos Pena, the Sheffield debacle, not dumping Mags and his $18 million lock-in for 2010 when he was hitting like Juan Pierre (who, ironically, the Tigers apparently covet) last June... When I tell you this team has something like a $100,000,000 payroll and you look over the roster you almost can't believe it.
One of the curious features of bad personnel moves is that their impact is magnified as time wears on. The sailor-on-leave spending spree that Dombrowski went on in '07, where he basically threw gunny sacks of cash at anyone who'd ever hit a double in AA ball, seemed a little reckless at the time, but now two years later it's becoming clear just how badly he's hamstrung this team. And he gets zero credit for the Verlander and Porcello picks, since these guys weren't exactly diamonds in the rough.
The rather ironic part of all this is that I keep thinking "dang, how'd you like to be Verlander or Porcello, those cats have to throw a shutout through 9 just to be tied", which is EXACTLY where they were last year anyway!
I'm heading to Lakeland in February to tryout. As a 44 year old with outfield grass power and no speed, I figure I got as much of a shot as anyone to fill the 8 hole in the lineup (too much competition for the 9th spot). I have to pass right through Ypsi, I'll pick you up. Bring your glove.
-Tom
as far as economics, i think he was the casualty of what Detroit did a few years ago when they ramped things up to contend with Cleveland and Chicago in the division, a move that was a no-doubter on paper but never really panned out. coupled with some injuries and dissappointing performnances by some parts of the pitching staff and the current move(s) are easily explained.
what about the manager??
You mean Jim "I have a sub .500 career winning percentage yet everyone still thinks I know what I'm doing" Leyland? Don't even get me started.
<< <i>he may be the best thing tha's happened to the Indians when it comes to the two teams playing!! i figure he has maybe 60-80 games left with the Tigers: put simply, if they aren't looking like a no-doubt Series contender by that point in 2010 i think he'll be gone. >>
Keets, I think it's just the opposite. The Tigers are preparing for a 90-100 loss season in 2010 with the roster they are assembling. Leyland will have a free pass. At least that is my expectation. You may see Verlander start the All Star game with a 1 - 12 record and a 2.01 ERA.
who else have the Tigers dumped??
<< <i>you'll have to forgive me. i'm having enough trouble keeping up with my Tribe, i didn't even know CG was traded till i saw this thread.
who else have the Tigers dumped?? >>
Polanco's gone, Granderson's gone, Edwin Jackson's gone. Rumors are that Carlos Guillen is gone and Milton Bradley may be signed. But fear not, Adam Everett was resigned! Near as I can tell, that leaves us with a #4 hitter (who as a side note, I would force to wear #22 if I was the GM to remind him of the .22 he blew at 6 AM on the final Saturday of the season) and three #9 hitters.
1. raise his BA at least 30 points
2. raise his BA against lefties by at least 60 points (I believe he batted about .190 against lefties?)
3. cut down his strikeouts by 20% (140+ last season)
Kevin Long has his work cut out for him with Granderson. Of course I hope this works out and stays consistant for as long as Yankees decide to keep him.
It will be interesting to see what else, if anything the Yankees will do with the OF. I know Cashman feels pretty good starting a season with Melky, Granderson, Swisher, Gardner....and maybe still Damon?
Speaking of Damon, now that his contract is over with, I dont see a lot of talk about if Damon was worth the $$$ over the past 3 years. I think he proved a lot of people wrong as far as his offensive numbers go. Yeah, his defense has faltered a little. He never did have an arm but he's a bit slower and tends to fumble around in the field a bit dropping balls and not taking good routes to fly balls. (or maybe its just over running or under running fly balls?) Anyway, yeah, he WAS worth the dough! I wouldnt mind seeing him back in pinstripes for another year, maybe two.
Not sure that Matt Holliday is fit for any AL team. Just seems like one of those guys who is happy in the NL and his stats show it.
I think Ian Kennedy will do really well in AZ. He's just a head case who cant handle NY. He has good stuff and if he can keep himself in check, he'll make an excellent NL pitcher.
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<< <i>you'll have to forgive me. i'm having enough trouble keeping up with my Tribe, i didn't even know CG was traded till i saw this thread.
who else have the Tigers dumped?? >>
Polanco's gone, Granderson's gone, Edwin Jackson's gone. Rumors are that Carlos Guillen is gone and Milton Bradley may be signed. But fear not, Adam Everett was resigned! Near as I can tell, that leaves us with a #4 hitter (who as a side note, I would force to wear #22 if I was the GM to remind him of the .22 he blew at 6 AM on the final Saturday of the season) and three #9 hitters. >>
I think the Tigers only take on Bradley if they can dump Willis, Bondo, or some other dead weight on the Cubs in return. I don't see the Pizza Czar taking on Bradley's remaining contract without a little quid pro quo from the Cubbies. And to be honest, I'd welcome the arrival of Bradley. This team is going to flat out hum nuts next year, so we might as well get an outfielder who will generate headlines. Can you imagine Bradley and Cabrera out hitting (and I mean that literally) the clubs next summer? We'll just put Mike Rosenberg on permanent 'Brad-Watch', and soak up each recounting of his nightly exploits in the morning fishwrap as we're eating our Frosted Mini Wheats.
And you're right, Tom, the bats will be silent this spring. Last year at one point we had Cabrera and eight other guys who amongst them couldn't scrape up a single .270 hitter. You know it's bad when you're looking ahead two innings for the next Inge AB, but I think that's how we're going to be spending our summer.
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I am here to tell you, Granderson is far from the total package.
Dream on, if you think that is the case.
Reality, will soon educate you differently.
He absolutely can't hit lefties to save his life and strikes out way more than he should in pressure situattions.
He is a nice centerfielder, but he is not great.
He is a good base runner but not exceptional in that regard either.
What he is ..... is probably one of the finest young men that baseball has seen in some time.
He's the kind of guy that could be The Comminer of Baseball someday, if he so aspired.
If Granderson can hit .280 for you guys, then you will be fairly pleased with him.
But if he plays like he did all of last season for the Tigers, he won't last long in the Big Apple, I can assure you.
Bring in a lefty with a decent hook and he's a automatic weak out.
Take it to the bank.
No doubt Grandy is not playing to his potential. This may partly the fault of coaching. He is a perfect leadoff man with lightning speed. He should be dragging bunts and stealing 40-50 bases per year. I think the Yanks will turn him around and develop him into the player he should be. The NYY outfield, as miniscule as it is, Grandy will have a lot of fun out there. All that said, it grieves me sore to see him go, but I believe he has merely plateau-ed here and i wish him the best.
EJackson, he can go too. brilliant first half, but miserable 2nd. Scherzer takes care of him.
Polanco is the one we screwed up on. As soon as we didn't offer him anything, he was snapped up by the Fightin Phils and rightly so. Polly still has at least 5 fantastic seasons left and unlike the rest of the Tigers offense, he knows how to put the ball in play.
I haven't heard of Guillen potentially being traded. If so, I am MORE than fine with that! He thinks he can do worlds more than he actually can, hurt or not. While I can't stand anything Milton Bradley represents, i guess he's due for a comeback and would try and tolerate him here if he can shut his yap.
Garrett Atkins just hit the market and i think we should throw him a mil or two to platoon with Inge.....
Someone mentioned how bad the Doyle/Smoltz trade was??? If not for Doyle, we don't win the division in 1987. Plain and simple. 9-0 with 1.53 ERA says it all. Besides, our miserable coaches then would have done their best to cast Smoltz into mediocrity.
even come close to that in the past.
With Granderson, you would think at the very least he should become much more aggressive in that department.
But ..... I have never seen him as lightening fast at all.
He does posses good speed, but not great speed.
As far as Polonco, he could not have been a better player for the Tigers these past 4.5 years or so.
But I would bet bank, he doesn't have even close to another 5 good years left in his tank.
The guy although extremely sure handed doesn't have an ounce of range left at second base.
Even though he won a Gold Glove this past season, he cost the Tigers dearly in the range factor
through out the season. Even in that last play-off game in the late innings against the Twins he killed them!
So the Phillies moving him to third base, where range is not as much of a factor is probably a very
smart move at this point.
Will Polonco be missed by the Tigers? Probably initially, but with their top minor league position player
ready to take over ....... it was a move that makes perfect sense.
The Tigers need to get younger, faster and cut pay roll.
You can blame Dumbo for many poor signings in the last couple years: Robertson,Willis etc. but letting
Polonco walk is a sound move at this particular point.
He should work out very well for the Phillies for a couple of seasons.
He's a pro's pro and a very smart player.
The Piillies have had him before, so they know what they are getting.