What happened to the Government being for the people and by the people
dlimb2
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I thought the people were to be the ones who told government what they wanted, not Government telling the people what they were going to do and to Hell with the People....Where has the American Backbone gone to....China!
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<< <i>I thought the people were to be the ones who told government what they wanted, not Government telling the people what they were going to do and to Hell with the People....Where has the American Backbone gone to....China! >>
Sadly you will not see Americans up in arms until you take away their cable. If that were to happen there would be rioting in the streets.
Apathy reign supreme. Sad, but true. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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<< <i>I thought the people were to be the ones who told government what they wanted, not Government telling the people what they were going to do and to Hell with the People....Where has the American Backbone gone to....China! >>
Sadly you will not see Americans up in arms until you take away their cable. If that were to happen there would be rioting in the streets.
Apathy reign supreme. Sad, but true. MJ >>
" You can base your life on two things, What you say and what you do.
In the end much more is said than done!"
I feel as though most think Bit_hing is doing something.
I know I'm guilty of that type of useless action.
<< <i>Lou Holtz made a speech to young people on ESPN.
" You can base your life on two things, What you say and what you do.
In the end much more is said than done!"
I feel as though most think Bit_hing is doing something.
I know I'm guilty of that type of useless action.
Complaining is much more effective if more people do it. Yes, when there's an opportunity
to turn stupidity on itself we should all sieve it. If a store won't give you your money back
for bad meat then toss it behind their coolers on the way out.
Complaining is only completely ineffective when you complain alone.
...So what's this damn thread about anyway?
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You miss the after Thanksgiving sales of all that cheap ass Chinese junk?
Ray
You miss the after Thanksgiving sales of all that cheap ass Chinese junk?
Ray
Yeah I make a point to miss all of it....if I don't need it I don't buy it....Ever try to buy an American Flag? Look and see where the sticker says it is made....NOW THAT IS SAD!
<< <i>Wow, can you say OT? +1 >>
Word.
however, all of the evils available, are in the pocket
of financial interests that do not share my concerns.
Camelot
WHAT have YOU on this board done to improve America? Have you called senators,representatives, local officials, business leaders, judges, AARP etc? Most likely not!!!!!! I have!!!!!
Stop placing the blame elsewhere and YOU take ownership of this freaking mess!!!!!! DO SOMETHING TO BRING BACK THE AMERICA THAT STOOD FOR JUSTICE, FREEDOM AND PROSPERITY!!!!!!
Not really feeling good about this thread, bye!!!! THIS ISN'T OUR FAULT!!!!!
are unable to reverse the situation we find ourselves in.
1. Both parties have been corrupted
2. It cost too much money for decent
folks to run and be elected.
3.The laws and regulations necessary
to correct the problem and disipline the offenders
are stymied in a congress that has been bought
and paid for. Third parties do not do well in national
elections.
Some of the rules we need include the following.
A. In the Senate, cloture should require only 50% +1
B. Restore Glass/ Steagall word for word.
C. No Government employee can take employment with
any firm that lobbies Government nor may they seek to
influence government officials on behalf of a company or
foreign entity for a period of at least 10 years after leaving
office.
D. Break up the mega banks as constituting a monopoly
and restraint of trade and commerce.
E. Total public financing of all Federal election with strict
monetary caps.
F.Outlaw the bundling of complex loans for sale as tranches.
G. Freeze all congressional and appointed Federal positions
in any year that has a deficit in it as to spending.
H. Restore a National Usury Law with a cap of Prime Rate plus 7%.
I. Limit bank penalties and surcharges to a National MAXIMUM limit.
J. Professional lobbyists shall be registered with the Federal Government
and charged a fee of 500,000 per year per lobbyist.
K. Former officers in the military from the rank of colonel on up, shall under law
be restricted from any lobbying activities or they shall forfeit all pension and
allowances permanently as well as incarceration.
L.Food and drug enforcement shall have their budget expanded to the degree necessary
to protect the health and welfare of the people of the Nation.
M. Appointment to the Federal bench openings shall not be delayed or denied, except for
issues of competency, or matters that would preclude their serving on the bench.
N. Off shore banking or corporate shells intended to avoid the payment of lawful taxes shall
be outlawed with mandatory fines and jail sentences for convicted offenders. This will include
individuals, and attorneys and accountants having knowledge of such offenses as well as all
corporate officers having knowledge of such offenses.
While there are probably thousands of laws needed to protect the people. these are some
that come to mind.
Camelot
They had hung it every year for over 50 years, but this year soon after hanging it up they received a couple complaints and down it came.
I believe we have already seen the best that we have seen of the U.S. and our days are numberd, unless an outright revolution takes place to restore justice
and erase the intolerance of good. Just consider the sick and perverted movies that the kids in the U.S. are brought up watching and the gangsta rap they listen to,etc, etc,
Its gone Gentleman. Whom will stand and bring this 2nd revolution? any takers?
<< <i>Today a fire department was orderd to take down a sign that said "Merry Christmas" on it. The sign was made over 50 years ago by firefighters at that station.
They had hung it every year for over 50 years, but this year soon after hanging it up they received a couple complaints and down it came.
I believe we have already seen the best that we have seen of the U.S. and our days are numberd, unless an outright revolution takes place to restore justice
and erase the intolerance of good. Just consider the sick and perverted movies that the kids in the U.S. are brought up watching and the gangsta rap they listen to,etc, etc,
Its gone Gentleman. Whom will stand and bring this 2nd revolution? any takers? >>
Yes.
I expect though, the coming Economic Depression will throw many of the bums out before an armed revolution becomes necessary.
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<< <i>Just consider the sick and perverted movies that the kids in the U.S. are brought up watching and the gangsta rap they listen to,etc, etc, >>
Okay, I'm considering it. What's your point? The crime rate of the major cities has decreased since the 1970's. Are you going to blame that evil disco music for the high rate of murders back then? What does gangsta rap and today's movies have to do with anything? Again, what is your point? The only thing I can think is that you don't like America or its people. To you sir, I say: fine, get the hell out. If America is so bad, go live somewhere else and take your bellyaching with you.
Oh and since this is a PM forum that apparently the mods don't check...
Gold: $1209
Silver: $18.86
The falling apart of our nations infrastructure has everything to do with the price of our future! That includes the price of gold and the American way of life!
Chicago Homicide Rates per 100,000 residents, 1870-2000
Year Homicide Rate
1870 2.6
1880 5.4
1890 7.0
1900 6.0
1910 9.2
1920 10.5
1930 14.6
1940 7.1
1950 7.9
1960 10.3
1970 24.0
1980 28.7
1990 32.9
2000 22.1
Source: Newberry Library
Edited to add: I'm officially done with this thread. It should have been poofed the minute it was created, but oh well. You can be scared and hate America all you want. I won't be a part of it. Have fun in your basement stroking your shotgun.
It is about being an American and our way of life, you can put blinders on if you want and that is your choice, you have that right as an American....my forefathers made sure you had that right!
Isn't our Coin collecting habits based on our American History! Our forefathers grace the obverse of all our coinage.
<< <i>Our Gov't is ours it's time we start acting that way. >>
I think that is being reflected today. Forty percent of American's live on some form of Government dependency. If you are that 40%, sure, you think it's right to tax the "rich" more. And "rich" isn't what it use to be.
I guess alot depends on what your definition of America is, ya think?
I knew it would happen.
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
Fwiw I've voted for mostly 3rd party presidential candidates since Perot ran for President. It hasn't worked. Ron Paul was a worthy candidate this time and I would/should have voted for him except that I felt choosing betw Rep/Dem was more important this time than my "principles."
roadrunner
<< <i>I thought the people were to be the ones who told government what they wanted, not Government telling the people what they were going to do and to Hell with the People....Where has the American Backbone gone to....China! >>
(it is not just "for the people and by the people" ... it is also and perhaps most importantly "OF the people" ... THE people need to be active and integral parts of the process of governing or the basic foundation of self government is lost...
1- We allow(ed) lawyers to be our lawmakers... refer to the writings of Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson... we were warned... 'they will make self serving laws..." ...leading to...
2- The passing of the Federal Reserve Act... again refer to the writings of Ben and Thomas... again, we were warned... "allow the creation of a central bank and hand over the job of creating and distributing the currency to a private enterprise and they will surely strip you of your resources and your children of their inheritance..."
3- Previous generations worked long and hard to build up their communities, families and the whole of our economy... but then instilled in their children the notion that they could and should have a better life WITHOUT having to work for and earn it...(not everyone can be a "professional" or an "executive"...some folks actually have to do the work...) hence a new generation filled with folks who believe they are entitled... and looking to the government to provide whatever they want or need... (and most of them can't get along within their own families or decide what to eat or wear each day... so how in the h311 is any government going to be able to please them anyway?)
...again... refer to those "founding fathers' writings"... Any government that is big enough to provide everything, is powerful enough to take everything away...
<< <i>Today a fire department was orderd to take down a sign that said "Merry Christmas" on it. The sign was made over 50 years ago by firefighters at that station.
They had hung it every year for over 50 years, but this year soon after hanging it up they received a couple complaints and down it came.
I believe we have already seen the best that we have seen of the U.S. and our days are numberd, unless an outright revolution takes place to restore justice
and erase the intolerance of good. Just consider the sick and perverted movies that the kids in the U.S. are brought up watching and the gangsta rap they listen to,etc, etc,
Its gone Gentleman. Whom will stand and bring this 2nd revolution? any takers? >>
PUT THE CHRISTMAS SIGN BACK UP!!!! End of statement.
<< <i>Today a fire department was orderd to take down a sign that said "Merry Christmas" on it. The sign was made over 50 years ago by firefighters at that station.
They had hung it every year for over 50 years, but this year soon after hanging it up they received a couple complaints and down it came.
I believe we have already seen the best that we have seen of the U.S. and our days are numberd, unless an outright revolution takes place to restore justice
and erase the intolerance of good. Just consider the sick and perverted movies that the kids in the U.S. are brought up watching and the gangsta rap they listen to,etc, etc,
Its gone Gentleman. Whom will stand and bring this 2nd revolution? any takers? >>
Minus the movies and rap, that is about what the "No nothings" said over 150 years ago.
<< <i>I thought the people were to be the ones who told government what they wanted, not Government telling the people what they were going to do and to Hell with the People....Where has the American Backbone gone to....China! >>
Who REALLY destroyed the Constitution? Try that slick lawyer Abe Lincoln. You would think that there would be more awareness of this in the coin collecting community as after all Numismatics DOES entail the study of history.
But obviously there isn't more awareness and I'm really trying to be nice here.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
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<< <i>I thought the people were to be the ones who told government what they wanted, not Government telling the people what they were going to do and to Hell with the People....Where has the American Backbone gone to....China! >>
(it is not just "for the people and by the people" ... it is also and perhaps most importantly "OF the people" ... THE people need to be active and integral parts of the process of governing or the basic foundation of self government is lost...
1- We allow(ed) lawyers to be our lawmakers... refer to the writings of Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson... we were warned... 'they will make self serving laws..." ...leading to...
2- The passing of the Federal Reserve Act... again refer to the writings of Ben and Thomas... again, we were warned... "allow the creation of a central bank and hand over the job of creating and distributing the currency to a private enterprise and they will surely strip you of your resources and your children of their inheritance..."
3- Previous generations worked long and hard to build up their communities, families and the whole of our economy... but then instilled in their children the notion that they could and should have a better life WITHOUT having to work for and earn it...(not everyone can be a "professional" or an "executive"...some folks actually have to do the work...) hence a new generation filled with folks who believe they are entitled... and looking to the government to provide whatever they want or need... (and most of them can't get along within their own families or decide what to eat or wear each day... so how in the h311 is any government going to be able to please them anyway?)
...again... refer to those "founding fathers' writings"... Any government that is big enough to provide everything, is powerful enough to take everything away... >>
nice!
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>Ugh, I hate going so off topic, but wow there are some scary people on this forum. Ok, dlimb, in your mind the crime rate in Chicago is worse than ever...so explain this:
Chicago Homicide Rates per 100,000 residents, 1870-2000
Year Homicide Rate
1870 2.6
1880 5.4
1890 7.0
1900 6.0
1910 9.2
1920 10.5
1930 14.6
1940 7.1
1950 7.9
1960 10.3
1970 24.0
1980 28.7
1990 32.9
2000 22.1
Source: Newberry Library
Edited to add: I'm officially done with this thread. It should have been poofed the minute it was created, but oh well. You can be scared and hate America all you want. I won't be a part of it. Have fun in your basement stroking your shotgun. >>
Drugs explain the huge jump.
Seriously.
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My point was simply- Garbage In Garbage Out ! A simple yet factual outcome.
<< <i>Back in the 70's you didn't have gangs shooting each other down in the streets and hitting people with 2 x 4's and kicking them until they were dead,,,the South side of Chicago has been on the News pertaining to the useless deaths of Black teens for over a year now and leading the Nation in shooting deaths!
The falling apart of our nations infrastructure has everything to do with the price of our future! That includes the price of gold and the American way of life! >>
I don't know about the 70's, but this certainly happened in the 80's.
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but of the larger concerns over the governance of Nations.
1. Our Nation is divided along political lines that make the ability
to achieve and overwhelming consensus most difficult.
2. The lack of the former amakes it extremely difficult for any President
to lead effectively or efficiently, regardless of the appropriateness of their
agenda.
3. The power of lobbyist to influence all parties and regulatory boards as well
as the construction of legislation make it nearly impossible, to preserve and
protect the welfare of the people or the rational running of the Government.
These business and financial influences ,do not have the best interest of the
Nation or its people.
4. Bad legislation prevents the adequate and proper influx of resources to the
Government from entities, that avoid their fair share of the cost of running the
Nation. Further, bad legislation wastes money on issues that are more political
then they are necessary to efficient Government
5. The ability and willingness of Government, of all parties, to lie, misrepresent,
withhold, distort, and otherwise mislead the public thru omission or commision.
For all of the above long term reasons and the evolving coming home to roost of
delayed and deferred resolution of long term issues. the price of gold must go up
as the last means , short of revolution , to force dicepline, reason and transparency
in the Governments of the world. It may fail, but their is always the hope, forlorn as
it may be for some improvement in world governance.
Camelot