Clad Type B quarters (CPG TYPE H, CONECA RDV-008) and TPG's

ProofArtworkonCircs

I have just recently realized the ANACS population report contains 3 1970 D clad type B quarters. You just have to know Breen 4431 is a type B. No other dates are included. The grades are 2 in XF40-45 and 1 not listed in the grades table. I suspect that may be the one with scratches that was in the Heritage Fun auction several years ago.

That is my news of the day. Some historical data follows.

The statement has been made that to be valuable, a type B has to be high grade, PCGS attributed with Type B Rev FS-901 inscribed upon it. Unfortunately, no clad has received that distinction yet. PCGS wll not attribute clads. NGC will not attribute type B's. ANACS and ICG have used the Breen numbers instead of type B. ICG balked because the clad B's are not completly identical to silver B's. However Walter Breen, who invented the term "B" instead of the previous "II", called both the silver and clad versions type B.

ICG Unc MS64 1969 D and MS62 1970 D Pix.
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Contains discussion of various TPG policies regarding clad B's towards end of thread.
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For some more information on clad B's and oter clad varieties, use this link.
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edited to corect a minor spelling/grammar error

cladking

Thanks for the post. It's very interesting.

The '70-D type "b" is fairly common is it not?





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ProofArtworkonCircs

<<The '70-D type "b" is fairly common is it not?>>

I don't think so.
On one hand,
1) In my large scale search from 1973-1988 I found many more 1969 D B's than 1970 D B's.
2) A gentleman in Texas, also in a large search, collected rolls of 1969 D B's but only 1 or 2 1970 D B's.
3) 1970 D B was the very last type B that Dr. James Wiles verified its existence.

ON the other hand,
1) A single 1970 D B multilated was the only clad B that Bill Edwards found in Alabama.
2) 3 1970 D B's are the only clad B's in the ANACS population report.
3) I did find many more 1970 D B's than 1971 D B's or 1972 D B's.

During my search I was finding 1 1970 D B out of every 724 1970 D's or one out of every 34,072 quarters examined.
1970 D M's are very common in mint sets and dealers' stock. I found them in about 11.2 % of 1970 D's in circularion.

docg

Can the clad type "B" quarter come from mint sets or only coins destined for circulation?

ProofArtworkonCircs

<<Can the clad type "B" quarter come from mint sets or only coins destined for circulation? >>

I am not aware of any clad type B being found in mint sets. I would consider it possible. The silver B's were found in 1957, most 1959 and many 1960 sets.

Most 1970 mint sets have the type M for Denver, but doubled dies and regular business strike have also been found in them.

ProofArtworkonCircs

The new CPG is out. It documents the clad type "B" quarters, but calls them type H. There is a minor difference between them.
However they do not have a separate line listing nor a FS number. I don't know of TPG's will treat them differently now or not.

msl615

I just saw the ANACS 1385366 Heritage Auction 61760 "Scratched and cleaned" 1970-D Type B (H ~ CPG) at F.U.N. just a few hours ago. The dealer wanted $250 for it. This is the same coin/holder that did not sell at F.U.N. in 2007. Unfortunately, I forgot an important point: Who was the dealer? I wrote down all the details on the coin, but forgot to write down the table # or dealer name.

In the last 3 years, I have found two 1969-D type B/H. One in circulation, the other in a box of "cheap" raw coins at Long Beach. The cheap coin claims BU, but I have my doubts.

ProofArtworkonCircs

<<I just saw the ANACS 1385366 Heritage Auction 61760 "Scratched and cleaned" 1970-D Type B (H ~ CPG) at F.U.N. just a few hours ago. The dealer wanted $250 for it. This is the same coin/holder that did not sell at F.U.N. in 2007. Unfortunately, I forgot an important point: Who was the dealer? I wrote down all the details on the coin, but forgot to write down the table # or dealer name.

In the last 3 years, I have found two 1969-D type B/H. One in circulation, the other in a box of "cheap" raw coins at Long Beach. The cheap coin claims BU, but I have my doubts.>>

If that 1970 D (B/H) is the one I think it is, it did not sell at auction but sold after the auction for minimum bid. At that point James Wiles had not verified its existance as yet and would have bought it, but he was too late.

msl615

Thanks for getting back so quickly on this....it is certainly the same coin as it still had the Heritage lot number on the ANACS holder and when I tracked it down on the Heritage Site earlier today and looked at the photo, it was the same one I had seen on the floor. When I looked at the coin in person, I didn't even need a loupe to see it was a Type B...stood out easily.

I have a good idea of where the dealer was located on the FUN bourse and am looking at the floor map right now to see if I can narrow it down. The 1970D (B/H) that recently sold on Ebay went for $150, so I was not ready to go to $250 for this one. It would be interesting to know if this dealer is the one who picked up from FUN 2007.