<< <i>I'm kind of puzzled..... ........ guess that everyone is telling me that my mind is playing tricks on me and I cannot tell the difference between between a raised area and a depressed area (which bag marks would have to have) even though I have the coin in hand and the proper lighting and magnification.... Ah well.... nothing more I can say or show. I do thank you for all opinions and feedback, which is what I posted this for. >>
Tincup, we are just trying to help. Don't take offense to what people tell you. You made the assumption that people told you you cannot tell the difference. Nobody here has said that. If you truly feel you have something unique, then I really suggest sending the coin to someone you feel trustworthy to examine. I've already mentioned Leroy. He is about the best in the Morgan and Peace business.
<< <i>"The obvious answer is that unless and until a duplicate is found from the same die, it will remain an interesting novelty.
So, let's break out the magnifying glasses and start looking for another one!"
Agreed. And that is why I'm posting this here, in case others can be found and more opinions put together.
A couple more notes on this coin..... first, the 'W' on the right actually appears to be doubled, like in a doubled die, towards the bottom of the letter. This appears so in hand, and in the photo in Weiss's post above can actually be seen, but details aren't the best.
Also, there are some die breaks/chips inside of Miss Liberty's mouth at the corner, giving a drooling effect. Might be worth trying to get a photo of this area later. >>
By all means, post pictures of some more visible die markers. This will help people find other coins with the same markings as your OP coin, if they exist. I am leaning towards they do exist, but need to see another coin to be convinced.
TD
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"Tincup, we are just trying to help. Don't take offense to what people tell you. You made the assumption that people told you you cannot tell the difference. Nobody here has said that. If you truly feel you have something unique, then I really suggest sending the coin to someone you feel trustworthy to examine. I've already mentioned Leroy. He is about the best in the Morgan and Peace business. "
No offense taken whatsoever, Rampage. Did not mean to come across in that manner. Perhaps a momentary frustration on my part in trying to describe......!
I DO appreciate any and all comments on it. Even though I am pretty confident it is not caused by reeding or bag marks..... well hey, I've certainly been wrong plenty of times in the past......
Here folks... maybe you can use this to clear up the debate...
if something needs to be found, Hubble can find it...
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<< <i>A couple more pics.... first, another die marker.... just look for the drool at the back edge of the mouth. Second, an overall pic of the obverse of the coin. >>
Tincup, that drool you are talking about is also a bag mark. These are in no way shape or form die markers. I hope this is just a coin you had sitting around and did not pay a fortune for. The coin you picture is just a very beat up Peace dollar.
<< <i>A couple more pics.... first, another die marker.... just look for the drool at the back edge of the mouth.
Second, an overall pic of the obverse of the coin.
>>
I am getting the dreaded red exxes..........
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<<This post reminds me of some of the Ike dollar enthusiasts who “see” flags and all sorts of other things in the reverse design.>>
This brings up an interesting point. Anorther "sort of thing" is the Re-entry vehicle contrail on early die state FEV's. These marks are real, whether you believe it represents a REV or not, but disappear quickly with die wear. The marks on the Peace dollar are so small, they might quickly disapear also.
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<< <i>This post reminds me of some of the Ike dollar enthusiasts who “see” flags and all sorts of other things in the reverse design. >>
Ya just had to bring that one up hey Roger?
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<< <i>I'm kind of puzzled.....
........ guess that everyone is telling me that my mind is playing tricks on me and I cannot tell the difference between between a raised area and a depressed area (which bag marks would have to have) even though I have the coin in hand and the proper lighting and magnification....
Ah well.... nothing more I can say or show. I do thank you for all opinions and feedback, which is what I posted this for. >>
Tincup, we are just trying to help. Don't take offense to what people tell you. You made the assumption that people told you you cannot tell the difference. Nobody here has said that. If you truly feel you have something unique, then I really suggest sending the coin to someone you feel trustworthy to examine. I've already mentioned Leroy. He is about the best in the Morgan and Peace business.
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<< <i>"The obvious answer is that unless and until a duplicate is found from the same die, it will remain an interesting novelty.
So, let's break out the magnifying glasses and start looking for another one!"
Agreed. And that is why I'm posting this here, in case others can be found and more opinions put together.
A couple more notes on this coin..... first, the 'W' on the right actually appears to be doubled, like in a doubled die, towards the bottom of the letter. This appears so in hand, and in the photo in Weiss's post above can actually be seen, but details aren't the best.
Also, there are some die breaks/chips inside of Miss Liberty's mouth at the corner, giving a drooling effect. Might be worth trying to get a photo of this area later. >>
By all means, post pictures of some more visible die markers. This will help people find other coins with the same markings as your OP coin, if they exist. I am leaning towards they do exist, but need to see another coin to be convinced.
TD
<< <i>ya know... I'm sure I'll get flamed for this by someone... but it suddenly occured to me taking another look at this thread...
HOW FREAKIN MAGNIFIED THIS COIN NEEDED TO BE BEFORE ANYTHING... WHATEVER IT IS... COULD ACTUALLY BE SEEN... >>
It needed very little magnification to be seen. It needs more to be correctly identified as to what it really is.
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No offense taken whatsoever, Rampage. Did not mean to come across in that manner. Perhaps a momentary frustration on my part in trying to describe......!
I DO appreciate any and all comments on it. Even though I am pretty confident it is not caused by reeding or bag marks..... well hey, I've certainly been wrong plenty of times in the past......
Second, an overall pic of the obverse of the coin.
if something needs to be found, Hubble can find it...
<< <i>Here folks... maybe you can use this to clear up the debate...
if something needs to be found, Hubble can find it...
That's
<< <i>A couple more pics.... first, another die marker.... just look for the drool at the back edge of the mouth.
Second, an overall pic of the obverse of the coin. >>
Tincup, that drool you are talking about is also a bag mark. These are in no way shape or form die markers. I hope this is just a coin you had sitting around and did not pay a fortune for. The coin you picture is just a very beat up Peace dollar.
'Drool' looks raised, not bag marked, IMHO
<< <i>A couple more pics.... first, another die marker.... just look for the drool at the back edge of the mouth.
Second, an overall pic of the obverse of the coin.
I am getting the dreaded red exxes..........
<< <i>drool you are talking about is also a bag mark
'Drool' looks raised, not bag marked, IMHO >>
Looks like a small raised bead.
This brings up an interesting point. Anorther "sort of thing" is the Re-entry vehicle contrail on early die state FEV's. These marks are real, whether you believe it represents a REV or not, but disappear quickly with die wear. The marks on the Peace dollar are so small, they might quickly disapear also.
anybody else found one of these yet?