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fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
Two of the various coins I have paid stupid money for are my pair of 1921 Mercury dimes (Philadelphia & Denver). To find these two in MS63FB (MS63 was my minimum goal) was a long process and when the coins became available I simply thought they were more than I was willing to pay. At the time the economy was good and they were some of the last few coins to upgrade in my set. The first one; the 1921 D was purchased in October 2005. The second one; the 1921 was purchased about a year later in September 2006. I have kept an eye on this date when they come to auction, and I think they consistently sell for more than the price guide. I am glad I paid too much because as time went on I find other people pay more than the price guide for this date. When it comes down to it by today's standards I picked these up as a bargain. image

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  • I paid $75 for an 1897 Morgan ANACS 64 with rim toning. I kind of regret it, even though I was looking for that supposedly common date for six months or more. I always found a reason not to buy the other coins I saw, and when I saw the one I bought, I thought it quite nice. Still, the cheapskate in me flinches when thinking about it, because it is maybe a $50 retail coin, maybe $33 wholesale. If all my purchases were like that one, I would be buried financially.

    /edit to add: The dealer asking $75 went fishing and found a fish (me).

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  • I think it pays to pay stupid money for something when 1) it is not replaceable, 2) you really, really want it, 3) you can afford it, 4) you plan to keep it for a long time and 5) profit is not your primary motivation.
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think it pays to pay stupid money for something when 1) it is not replaceable, 2) you really, really want it, 3) you can afford it, 4) you plan to keep it for a long time and 5) profit is not your primary motivation. >>


    I agree.

    However, I think you should also make sure that your "stupid money" coin is popular enough that the demand justifies the price. In other words, don't pay stupid money if the coin meets all the criteria above but is a coin only you want.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wish all my stupid money coins where as smart as those dimes.
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    So did the seller have a good feel for the actual value of the coins or was he just looking for someone foolish? I assume you're saying you paid more than full retail. I don't consider full retail stupid money.

    --Jerry
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    I would love to share my many "stupid money" coins but all of the coins that I have paid stupid money for, I have sold and lost money on them. I guess that's what they call it "stupid money" image
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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think it pays to pay stupid money for something when 1) it is not replaceable, 2) you really, really want it, 3) you can afford it, 4) you plan to keep it for a long time and 5) profit is not your primary motivation. >>



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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think it pays to pay stupid money for something when 1) it is not replaceable, 2) you really, really want it, 3) you can afford it, 4) you plan to keep it for a long time and 5) profit is not your primary motivation. >>



    I completely agree. Here's my example of stupid money...and I love it:
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So did the seller have a good feel for the actual value of the coins or was he just looking for someone foolish? I assume you're saying you paid more than full retail. I don't consider full retail stupid money.

    --Jerry >>



    The 1921 D dime came from an auction so it was up to me how bad I wanted it. I simply purchased the other one. My guess would be we both knew it's value as these things rarely sell for what the "book" says.

    I paid over retail for both at the time.

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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In 2001, I paid $750 for an uncertified 1801 half dollar that was listed at $550 in the Red Book at the time. Stupid money indeed: it's in a PCGS F12 holder now and would probably retail for $1,800 or more, since it's strong for the grade.

    I also passed on the F/VF 1802 half the same dealer was offering at $800. I didn't pull the trigger because it had a couple of little hairlines on the obverse, though I thought it would still holder. Can't get that coin for less than $2,500 now, and I still don't have an 1802 half. Now THAT was stupid.



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  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stupid money has always put a bite to my posterior and in the long run has proven I am stupid for having the "Must Have at Any Cost" mentallity.

    Its good to see others come out well with stupid money that was spent.

    Ken
  • pcpropcpro Posts: 139 ✭✭
    Stupid money is fine if it's the kind of coin others, even dealers, will pay YOU stupid money for image

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  • TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭
    I really like the look of that 1921-D.
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  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I really like the look of that 1921-D. >>



    +1

    Ken
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's been hard for me to spend stupid money on things I've really wanted at auction in the last 2 years....

    as there's always been someone with even stupider money outbidding me image
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's been hard for me to spend stupid money on things I've really wanted at auction in the last 2 years....

    as there's always been someone with even stupider money outbidding me image >>



    With rare, key, semi-key, and the like it is probably more common than on the stuff you can buy everyday.

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

  • There seems to be some confusion over the term in this thread. Some seem to think "stupid money" means over current price guide. To me the guide price has nothing to do with it, what stupid money means to me, is well over the current fair market price. Take the example of the other thread with the first dealer asking a price of $800 for a coin, that another dealer offered at a full retail price of $500, and eventually sold for $416 at fair auction. The $800 price was "stupid," the $500 was perhaps fair retail, though full retail, the $416 the market auction price, and a more typical retail price. My example of paying $75 for a coin that normally retails for about $50 was "stupid." In my mind, the guide price has nothing to do with it.

    If the guide is too low for specific coins, that is a separate issue. The term has more to do with paying over current market rate. So high that an immediate rather large percentage loss would result if the coin had to be sold immediately wholesale. In my case, paying $75 vs. perhaps $33 wholesale is that kind of loss, a 60% immediate loss if I had to sell at fair wholesale the next moment. The auction coins mentioned in the original post were more likely in the typical 20% spread range to fair cash wholesale for coins of that price, date and grade, and don't fit the definition of "stupid money."
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Different coins, but same dates, ironically. I paid 'strong' money at the time, a few years earlier than your purchases, but I've turned down close to double my money on them since then...they are NFS anyway, but I showed them to a specialist dealer who 'just wanted to see them', but kept upping his offer long after I put them away:

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