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3 Legged Buffalo on Ebay. Whizzed? Or too good to pass up?

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Cleaned or Uncleaned? Still beautiful.

Come on, now that is a hot looking 3 legger.

But it also screams wizzed/cleaned/good camera flash and the guys over at Coin Talk mostly thought so too.

What are your thoughts?

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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Definitely cleaned. It's a common enough coin in AU...wait and find a nice example.
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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    link

    pass, you'll find better
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  • BNBAnalyticsBNBAnalytics Posts: 400
    Thanks so far but I just don't get how the reverse looks so well defined...
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like my Buffalo Nickels original. For the price the seller is asking you could get one slabbed just as nice as this one....
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • BNBAnalyticsBNBAnalytics Posts: 400
    If I sent this coin to PCGS , what do ya'll think it'll come back as?
  • BigRickBigRick Posts: 1,334
    Genuine.
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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If I sent this coin to PCGS , what do ya'll think it'll come back as? >>


    Genuine holder.
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  • ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭
    Not natural at all.
    There is no "AT" or "NT". We only have "market acceptable" or "not market acceptable.
  • JaPaJaPa Posts: 121
    With the cautions given you and this person's rating pray tell us why you would even consider the purchase?
  • BNBAnalyticsBNBAnalytics Posts: 400


    << <i>With the cautions given you and this person's rating pray tell us why you would even consider the purchase? >>



    I'm not. This is a learning example.
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This one is not for sale but figured I would share in the spirit of the thread.

    image
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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Cleaned or Uncleaned? Still beautiful.

    Come on, now that is a hot looking 3 legger.

    But it also screams wizzed/cleaned/good camera flash and the guys over at Coin Talk mostly thought so too.

    What are your thoughts? >>



    My thought.....If it was gradable/problem free you can bet the farm this seller would have it in a PCGS holder......nuff said
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    From the picture it's hard to tell if it's been cleaned or not. The lighting is over exposed.

    But I would pass of course. A coin like this needs to be in some plastic.
    "It is what it is."
  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭
    Gone fishing.
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmmmm....according to the seller, a "Mr. Young" a new Mint employee is responsible for the over zealous die polishing?

    Is this the first time I hear this, or am I supposed to know this?
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  • BNBAnalyticsBNBAnalytics Posts: 400
    I think you might have read it wrong, "It is rare when an error in U.S coinage can be traced to the individual for creating that error. In 1937 an inexperienced Mr. Young who was then new to the mint and under pressure to complete a quota of coinage, took an emery stick and ground of evidence of die clashing from a pair of dies. But in his haste he also inadvertently ground off part of the foreleg of the bison. Only one pair of dies was so affected and Mint State examples are very rare. This piece is well struck with untoned surfaces that have a pleasing satiny appearance. " from keydatecoin's ebay page.
  • ponderitponderit Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    New to me as well.
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine, but looks a little too shiny.
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  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
    Here is my PCGS AU 50
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think you might have read it wrong, "It is rare when an error in U.S coinage can be traced to the individual for creating that error. In 1937 an inexperienced Mr. Young who was then new to the mint and under pressure to complete a quota of coinage, took an emery stick and ground of evidence of die clashing from a pair of dies. But in his haste he also inadvertently ground off part of the foreleg of the bison. Only one pair of dies was so affected and Mint State examples are very rare. This piece is well struck with untoned surfaces that have a pleasing satiny appearance. " from keydatecoin's ebay page. >>



    This story of Mr.Young is believed by many specialist to be fabricated. Furthermore, clash could never occur at the location of the missing leg if one analyzes how the obverse die comes down on the reverse die (even after considering die rotation).



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  • Halfhunter06Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭
    Why is it raw? Red flag gose up there..plus the coin looks AU from the reverse. Take a look at the back hip area and the front of the buffalos head.
  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why is it raw? Red flag gose up there..plus the coin looks AU from the reverse. Take a look at the back hip area and the front of the buffalos head. >>



    There are a lot of good raw coins out there. Mine was raw until last year. It sat in a box for at least 20 years with a bunch of other nice Buff's.

    I however am not saying this coin in OP is one of them. image
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    If you can't tell that coin has been cleaned and is AU at best,

    you should not be buying raw coins for $1750 when they are damaged and worth closer to $800



    the reason slabbed coins cost more, is in most cases they are worth more
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    go to www.executivecoin.com. They have a better piece for less and it is in a pcgs slab. BUFFNIXX
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    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pass.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why is it raw? Red flag gose up there..plus the coin looks AU from the reverse. Take a look at the back hip area and the front of the buffalos head. >>



    He has a raw pic and a slabbed pic. It is advertised as slabbed. Shock!!! He must have owned it before it was slabbed. I see no red flag there.

    But I've learned a lesson. When selling a slabbed coins that you have a raw photo of, don't post the raw photo, even if it is better.

    --Jerry
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you can't tell that coin has been cleaned and is AU at best,

    you should not be buying raw coins for $1750 when they are damaged and worth closer to $800



    the reason slabbed coins cost more, is in most cases they are worth more >>



    It is slabbed and graded AU. What makes you think it is "damaged". Those who think they can grade better from these crappy pics than NGC can in hand may be fooling themselves.

    I don't believe the OP knows what "whizzed" means. There is no way you could tell if a coin was whizzed from those pics.

    I don't think anyone sees hairlines, by "cleaned" I think everyone means the surfaces are not original. Again, I'm not sure how you can tell from those crappy photos.

    This thread seems like a classic case of piling on. I don't particularly like the coin either but if purchased I would expect it to be a market acceptable AU55 coin.

    --Jerry

  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    notwilight - the AU55 NGC is another coin and another auction (at $1500 and relatively better buy)


    the reverse clearly shows rub over the horn and shoulder
    the obverse has a couple strong parallel lines from around 1 o'clock to 6 o'clock
    - the first starts at the rear of the eye and heads toward left side of mouth (this could be a die crack)
    - the other is closer to the lips but parallel

    parallel lines where they should not be is cleaned in my book

    the obverse does look in better condition than the reverse - but heavily worn dies, mushy near the periphery could be cause of blooming luster
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>notwilight - the AU55 NGC is another coin and another auction (at $1500 and relatively better buy) >>



    So I'm the one that is confused. I guess I take back just about everything I posted above....I've never seen links to other auctions in the middle of a listing. I thought I was just clicking on photo links. --Jerry

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