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NL ROY - My head is going to explode!
jdip9
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First, I have to spend all day listening to people criticize Belichick for the 4th down call, when it was clearly the higher percentage play to win the game.
Now, I learn that some guy named Chris Coughlin won the NL Rookie of the Year. I am a die-hard fantasy baseball player and never heard of Coughlin until I saw this announcement. How J.A Happ didn't win it is beyond me.
I'm at a complete loss for words.
Now, I learn that some guy named Chris Coughlin won the NL Rookie of the Year. I am a die-hard fantasy baseball player and never heard of Coughlin until I saw this announcement. How J.A Happ didn't win it is beyond me.
I'm at a complete loss for words.
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<< <i>First, I have to spend all day listening to people criticize Belichick for the 4th down call, when it was clearly the higher percentage play to win the game.
Now, I learn that some guy named Chris Coughlin won the NL Rookie of the Year. I am a die-hard fantasy baseball player and never heard of Coughlin until I saw this announcement. How J.A Happ didn't win it is beyond me.
I'm at a complete loss for words. >>
The fact that you have never heard of Coghlan destroys your credibility on the issue. Happ wasn't even the best rookie pitcher. He got an earlier start than Hanson, so had more innings pitched and wins (the Phillies offense did not hurt either). Hanson has the same # of Ks in 40 fewer innings, and better peripherals in general. He had a better WHIP, better ERA, better BAA, and gave up only half as many HRs in 75% as many innings.
Coghlan- 321/390/460 in 504 ABs
wins 15 next year and Coughlin is in AAA we can all say we told you so.
<< <i>First, I have to spend all day listening to people criticize Belichick for the 4th down call, when it was clearly the higher percentage play to win the game.. >>
Step away from the Hoodie Kool-Aid.
Happ fizzled down the stretch. Hanson was good, but Coghlan deserved the award more.
<< <i> I am a die-hard fantasy baseball player and never heard of Coughlin until I saw this announcement. >>
Something tells me you are a cellar dweller in fantasy baseball if you've never heard of this guy.
spot on analysis.
You've never heard of Coughlin and you think that going for it on 4th and 2 was the higher pct. play to win the game? When did you start watching sports, like last year?
I'm not sure going for it was the wrong play but it certainly was far riskier a play than punting it away in that spot and making Indy go the length of the field in 2 minutes, especially when your D had already picked Manning twice to that point.
It was a gutsy call, but not a high pct one, no way.
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I whole-heartedly agree Hanson has more talent and upside, and will undoubtedly have the better career, but Happ deserved the award.
As for my fantasy baseball credentials - I finished first this year, thanks though.
grote15 - it was ABSOLUTELY the higher percentage play to go for it - the math backs him up. I will defend this to the death.
<< <i>Happ struggled down the stretch?? He pulled a side muscle in early September, sat out for 2 weeks and came back to win 2 games in the final 2 weeks of the season! Besides, it is Rookie of the Year, not "Rookie of September" or "Rookie of the 2nd Half" >>
Saying that Happ "struggled down the stretch" is bordering on outrageous unless by "down the stretch" one means a specific and arbitrary timeframe like the two weeks he sat out. Let's look at Happ's numbers post all-star break: 6-4, 79 IP, 1.30 WHIP, 2.96 ERA, and 58 Ks. I think most teams would be "happ"y (sorry, couldn't resist) to get those numbers from their "struggling" pitchers.
<< <i>Happ struggled down the stretch?? He pulled a side muscle in early September, sat out for 2 weeks and came back to win 2 games in the final 2 weeks of the season! Besides, it is Rookie of the Year, not "Rookie of September" or "Rookie of the 2nd Half"
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Exactly--Happ was good in the first half and average in the second. It's not 'rookie of the first half' either. BA against him in the second half rose what, 40 points? He started good but by the time September rolled around most people forgot about him. As a starter, Hanson had Happ beat in pretty much all categories.
Sorry, a pitcher that goes 10-4 as a starter will never beat out a batter who hits .321 in a ROY vote.
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<< <i>Happ struggled down the stretch?? He pulled a side muscle in early September, sat out for 2 weeks and came back to win 2 games in the final 2 weeks of the season! Besides, it is Rookie of the Year, not "Rookie of September" or "Rookie of the 2nd Half"
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Exactly--Happ was good in the first half and average in the second. It's not 'rookie of the first half' either. BA against him in the second half rose what, 40 points? He started good but by the time September rolled around most people forgot about him. As a starter, Hanson had Happ beat in pretty much all categories. >>
I'm not disagreeing with you about the vote, but I think you're wrong in your analysis of Happ's season.
I don't think there was such a huge drop-off in second half performance that you can say he was good in the first half and average in the second. Look at his splits. Yes, he wasn't as good in the 2nd half, but it's not like there were huge differences:
87 IP/79 IP
70 Hits/79 Hits
32 BB/24 BB
1.17 WHIP/1.30 WHIP
28 ER/26 ER
61 Ks/58 Ks
6-0/6-4
2.90 ERA/2.96 ERA
<< <i>Happ wasn't even the best rookie pitcher. He got an earlier start than Hanson, so had more innings pitched and wins (the Phillies offense did not hurt either). Hanson has the same # of Ks in 40 fewer innings, and better peripherals in general. He had a better WHIP, better ERA, better BAA, and gave up only half as many HRs in 75% as many innings. >>
Wise words.
Hanson's advantage becomes even clearer when you compare his numbers to Happ's in J.A.'s starts only.
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