Just got PCGS to cross my NGC 1956 quarter to PCGS MS-66 FS-901/type B reverse
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I originally bought this quarter graded NGC MS-67 about 10 years ago. It was very cheap as neither the seller nor I realized it was a type B reverse quarter.
I brought it to CAC and it failed to sticker at MS-67 as I suspected it would.
I then ALMOST sold it here on BST for very little as it was one of my "rejects."
I then accidentally discovered it was a FS-901/type B reverse.
I crossed it to PCGS requesting a minimum grade of MS-65 with the FS-901 attribution (type B reverse). I was expecting an MS-66 but willing to accept a unlikely MS-65.
PCGS did what I expected. I was a good day.
Results shown below:
Cert Verification #: 15489757
PCGS Coin #: 145647
Date, mintmark: 1956
Denomination: 25C
Variety: Type B Rev FS-901
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS66
Mintage: 44,144,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $500
I brought it to CAC and it failed to sticker at MS-67 as I suspected it would.
I then ALMOST sold it here on BST for very little as it was one of my "rejects."
I then accidentally discovered it was a FS-901/type B reverse.
I crossed it to PCGS requesting a minimum grade of MS-65 with the FS-901 attribution (type B reverse). I was expecting an MS-66 but willing to accept a unlikely MS-65.
PCGS did what I expected. I was a good day.
Results shown below:
Cert Verification #: 15489757
PCGS Coin #: 145647
Date, mintmark: 1956
Denomination: 25C
Variety: Type B Rev FS-901
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS66
Mintage: 44,144,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $500
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After all, I never find anything so why would this be any different??
I always like to read up on things in coins and then read something somewhere about the type B/FS-901 reverse, so I decided to look at the quarters.
It was "accidental" since I almost had that quarter sold right here except the buyer wanted to pay $10 less than the last price I agreed to lower to it for him.
Now that you have found one, will they be easier for you to spot now?
<< <i>Now that you have found one, will they be easier for you to spot now? >>
No, not any easier or harder. It was just something I never trained myself to do automatically. I am working on that now. However, see below for more.
Keep in mind that I was involved many years ago in looking at so many quarters for the type B reverse without much success that I got sick of looking. That was probably the reason I never kept at it.
Interestingly, 30 years ago, the major diagnostic touted by the discoverers of the type B reverse was the leaf clearly touching and essentially merging into the A in DOLLAR at 5 o'clock of the reverse, not the other diagnostics in vogue today. The old "search method" was much tougher on the eyes. The new touted diagnostics is easier on the eyes to study But this involved retraining myself which gets harder as one gets more set in his ways.
Has anyone else noticed the evolution of the priority of the diagnostics?
I brought it to CAC and it failed to sticker at MS-67 as I suspected it would.
I crossed it to PCGS (and got a MS66)
So......does it go back to CAC?
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<< <i>Interestingly, 30 years ago, the major diagnostic touted by the discoverers of the type B reverse was the leaf clearly touching and essentially merging into the A in DOLLAR at 5 o'clock of the reverse, not the other diagnostics in vogue today. The old "search method" was much tougher on the eyes. The new touted diagnostics is easier on the eyes to study But this involved retraining myself which gets harder as one gets more set in his ways.
Has anyone else noticed the evolution of the priority of the diagnostics? >>
Yes. Diagnostic evolution has discouraged more than one collector! I'll never understand why some folks focus in on the relatively obscure disgnostic's when the readily visible diagnostics are nearly eye readable and totally ignored!
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<< <i>coindeuce: I owned a bunch of washington quarter slabs from 1956 to 1960 and realized I never bothered to look at the reverse of them.
After all, I never find anything so why would this be any different??
I always like to read up on things in coins and then read something somewhere about the type B/FS-901 reverse, so I decided to look at the quarters.
It was "accidental" since I almost had that quarter sold right here except the buyer wanted to pay $10 less than the last price I agreed to lower to it for him. >>
Has anyone else noticed the evolution of the priority of the diagnostics?>>
I have before me a piece written by the late great W. W. Edwards and published in Collectors' Clearinghouse, Coin World, September 23, 1970.
Coin World had previously reported on these variety B's, then called Variety II Reverse in 1963 and 1965. In these early articles a (or the) pickup point was the crooked-leg N of UNUM. That is one I had forgotten.
Bill goes on to describe more type B or variety II characteristics:
1) The wide ES space
2) Leaf sticking above the arrowpoints
3) No gap between this leaf and the arrowpoints
4) No top barb on arrowheads
5) No bottom barb on the arrowheads
6) Wing tips are quite sharp, with a smooth outline in distinct relief
He includes a drawing illustrating points 2-3-4-5.
(Type M was first used in 1968 and was not recognized for many years. Some of the above points apply to type M's.
These are points #4 and #6. #3 partially applies. As you rotate the coin the gap appers to vanish and reappear - most unusual.)
Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U. S. and Colonial Coins, 1988, has two descriptions - one for silver on page 365 and clad on page 370.
Silver B :
1) relief is higher
2) E S apart
3) leaf extends above arrow point
clad B
1) eagle in relatively high relief
2) E S apart
3) leaf extends above top arrow point
4) only one leaf above R (??? and he credits me as the source of this data)
(This is interesting. Walter once told me not to mention high relief, as too confusing for the neophytes, and to stick to one pick up point only).
I find I use different pickup points for different circumstances. For pictures and toned coins, I concentrate on the eagle's wing to the viewer's right. I find B's jump right out at me. I find a blast white coin in hand a bit more difficult to recognize.l
Thanks for posting that old early 1970's article. It can make your head hurt!
I had never seen this FS-901 decription for this type B reverse until this year. I originally thought it had something to do with 9-11 and that it was a typo.
It was most interesting to see that the diagnostic I was taught to use in the mid to late 70's was not mentioned at all in your articles.
I was surprised by that myself, since the leaf flowing solidly into the A is one of my favorite check points. When I make a list of pick up points, I always include that one. Yet I have seen examples where there was a slight separation between the leaf and the A. Did some workman touchup a working hub? I have also seen faint centerlines added to the tailfeathers of certain 1952 and 1953 quarter proofs. I think that includes the super bird one. So we have both the S and the tail feather lines on that one. Is there anything else strange added on that coin?
As that was earlier than Breen's book, I decided to dig it out and see how my checkpoints compared with the other early lists.
Editor Barbara Gregory did an excellent job of moving my pick up points in the text of the original submission into captions for the pictures.
Variety I was described in great detail as versus Variety II. This was listed under the Variety I picture. Thus you had to read the Variety I captions to get most of the type II descriptions. These included the usual list of charateristics.
Meanwhile under the two Variety II pictures were these two items only.
"More than 50 new incuse touch-up lines are visible on the variety II eagle. These include feather divisions on the wings and minor horizontal lines on the body between the legs. The existing lines in the tailfeather area have been reworked, and the far left feather has an incuse center line that in many cases is so pronounced that it resembles tow separate feathers." [probably not very helpful as a PUP]
"The leaf by A of DOLLAR is solid and flows into the A on Variety II (there is a high, solid bridge between these two elements); the leaf of Variety I does not touch and is rather indistinct."
Coin World reprinted the article. They redid the pictures from scratch. Unfortunately we both overlooked the fact that so much data was in the captions in the original published version.