Can you see it?? 1819 960 Reis

Hyperion

ok, NEWP:




can you see the host coin? No CHEATING.

but Ill help, sometimes it's easier to rotate the coin (for those unable to do it in their heads)




Ill post da host later!

Smittys

Double struck or struck over ?
Sweet either Way

Hyperion

<< <i>Double struck or struck over ?
Sweet either Way >>



960 struck over a host coin of some type, it was done for political and economic reasons of the day....
host coins are sometimes identifyable (to some degree), sometimes not, in this case, yes


Im going to post a LINK to the host coin, so people can check it out as they may, and those that want to guess or research a bit can doublecheck when they're done.

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coinkat

It could have been struck over an 1815 8R from Argentina

newsman

It's struck over a Spanish colonial 8 reales, as are most examples of that type. The 960 reis came about for economic reasons after the Portuguese monarchy fled to Brazil in 1809 to avoid Napoleon's occupation of their country. Spanish colonial 8R coins were valued at 800 reis at the time, so the overstrike represented a 160-reis profit for the crown on each coin. The overstrikings ended when the value of the 8 reales coins increased to the point where it was no longer profitable.

The 1819-R is the most common 960 reis coin -- yours looks like a nice BU example.

Brazil this year marked the 200th anniversary of the monarchy's arrival with a commemorative coin. The event led to Brazil's independence in 1822 when the heir to the Portuguese throne, Pedro, decided he would rather be emperor of an independent Brazil than retrun to Portugal. His later effort to put his daughter, Maria, on the Portuguese throne after his father, Joao VI, died sparked a civil war in that country.

WWW

Nice one, Hyperion, and a great post from newsman. I actually learned something.
I like the Brazilian 960R for the neat look that the over strikes cause. Here's my 1817 for comparison:


Large Obverse Image
Large Reverse Image

Hyperion

<< <i>It's struck over a Spanish colonial 8 reales, as are most examples of that type. >>



Auction text:

Rio, Brazil, 960 reis, 1819-R, struck over a Lima, Peru, bust 8 reales, 1815(JP). KM-326.1. 26.1 grams. Fascinating and desirable specimen with the under-coin's full date 1815 visible above and slightly left of the new crown, plus IND REX and Lima mintmark at about 1-2 o'clock on the other side, lustrous AU with subtle toning.

I'm dont have command of this series so I'm curious about your diagnostic?...