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mcadams
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I've always collected Bobby Cox cards and also bought a few Joe Torre and Lou Pinella raw cards recently with the intent on having them graded and perhaps starting some registry sets for all 3. I got an email from custy service today saying that they don't allow combo sets for player / managers. I do realize that managers are far far less popular among collectors than players are. That being said, I do know that people collect both Cox and Torre even though the following may be small. Anyone else have an opinion on this? And yes, I had 5 graded cards before submitting the set request.
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Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
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CDsNuts, 1/9/15
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
I wonder if Bobby frequently chewed out the umps in Venezuela too?
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<< <i>They won't even do manager sets, so good luck getting combined career sets (I'm working on a few myself too).
Nick >>
Doesn't make any sense for PSA to NOT do manager sets if collectors are requesting them.
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<< <i>Doesn't make any sense for PSA to NOT do manager sets if collectors are requesting them. >>
I agree. Weaver, Stengel, Cox, etc. They would be a lot of fun to collect.
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
<< <i>Doesn't make any sense for PSA to NOT do manager sets if collectors are requesting them. >>
That policy is of a piece with the one not recognizing Fleer or Donrss sets. I wouldn't really care if they didn't recognize so many really silly sets instead.
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CDsNuts, 1/9/15
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CDsNuts, 1/9/15
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Yes, I was quite pleased to see this. Now, I need to start subbing my raw stuff and get this thing built. I hope others are planning to register sets for Cox as well. Shame we waited until his last season :>
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Simply stop his set after he retires and restart it when his manager cards begin. In the case of a player/manager or player going right from the field to the managers job no interruption is necessary.
See how simple things can be?
Anything I've missed?
Joe
<< <i>Seems to make complete sense that a player who later becomes a manager should have ALL his cards in one (Master) set. Certainly not a HUGE issue, but there are some pretty good players that were also prett good managers. Yogi and Torre come to mind.
Simply stop his set after he retires and restart it when his manager cards begin. In the case of a player/manager or player going right from the field to the managers job no interruption is necessary.
See how simple things can be?
Anything I've missed?
Joe >>
I don't think it makes any sense to combine player and manager sets. I would be completely against having having new cards of Mattingly as a manager added to his master set. I collect his playing year cards. Him as a Yankee. I do not collect him as the Dodger's manager. If people want to collect both they can and there can be a second set made for him as a manager. There is no need to fundamentally change the player sets which have been around for ten years.
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<< <i>Seems to make complete sense that a player who later becomes a manager should have ALL his cards in one (Master) set. Certainly not a HUGE issue, but there are some pretty good players that were also prett good managers. Yogi and Torre come to mind.
Simply stop his set after he retires and restart it when his manager cards begin. In the case of a player/manager or player going right from the field to the managers job no interruption is necessary.
See how simple things can be?
Anything I've missed?
Joe >>
I don't think it makes any sense to combine player and manager sets. I would be completely against having having new cards of Mattingly as a manager added to his master set. I collect his playing year cards. Him as a Yankee. I do not collect him as the Dodger's manager. If people want to collect both they can and there can be a second set made for him as a manager. There is no need to fundamentally change the player sets which have been around for ten years. >>
Of course there's PLENTY of reasons to change player sets. Additions are made all the time. This is really no different, unless PSA creates a new catagory.
Seems absurd to have two seperate sets of the same player, just because he went from player to manager.
How about if the Yankees would have made him player/manager for a year or two at the end of his career? What would your opinion be if he was then just managing the Yankees?
I collect Killebrew and I HATE it that his last card as a player has him with Kansas City, but it belongs in his Master set. I would say that every card issued as a Major League player, coach or manager should go into the players Master set. If you don't like that, collect his basic set.
Joe
<< <i>So, any chance at all of getting this to happen, or is it too futile to pursue? >>
I have had MANY things requested turned down by PSA. In an example like this, if they have made up their minds, you don't have much of a chance of getting them to change.
You never know though, I think they revisit some of these requests on a yearly basis.
Joe
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Of course there's PLENTY of reasons to change player sets. Additions are made all the time. This is really no different, unless PSA creates a new catagory.
Seems absurd to have two seperate sets of the same player, just because he went from player to manager.
How about if the Yankees would have made him player/manager for a year or two at the end of his career? What would your opinion be if he was then just managing the Yankees?
I collect Killebrew and I HATE it that his last card as a player has him with Kansas City, but it belongs in his Master set. I would say that every card issued as a Major League player, coach or manager should go into the players Master set. If you don't like that, collect his basic set.
Joe >>
Yes, master sets have added cards but there has been no major changes to the definition of the master sets. All card additions to the master sets have been completely consistent with how the master sets were defined almost 10 years ago.
My opinion would not change if Mattingly was managing the Yankees. Too me, having manager cards added to the master sets would be the same as adding any post playing year cards to the master sets. I would be completely against it. In the past there has been almost unanimous opposition from player collectors on the registry to adding post playing year cards to the player sets despite there not being being any sets for post playing year cards. Manager cards can be registered in a manager set and that is where they belong.
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Manager cards can be registered in a manager set and that is where they belong. >>
That's your opinion. I disagree, if I collected Yogi Berra, I would want both his cards as a player and a manager and would want them in one set.
Joe
I think having a Manager-Only set, in the Bobb Cox example, was the correct decision.
I would also support a combo player-manager set that would not interfere with collector's such as Alfiewt who don't want both.
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<< <i>I agree with mcadams. A separate category of combined playing + managing/coaching career sets is the way to go - and for other sports too.
Nick >>
Exactly. What's wrong with having a player set, a manager set , AND a player/manager set? It's not like you can't put the same card(s) in multiple sets,right?
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