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How does this guy get around this ........

(my apologies if it's been discussed before)


NO PAY PAL

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    daddymcdaddymc Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭
    I believe you can get around it if you accept Visa/MC through a merchant account. I could be wrong though. Storm will know.
    Currently working on: Kurt Warner PSA 9 or 10

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    storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    That seller and MANY others have a merchant account
    that allows them to accept cerdit cards.

    They are, thus, not required to accept PayPal.

    ...........

    In a fraudulent-SNAD claim, sellers who use PayPal are NOT the
    merchant of record; PayPal is. Such sellers are easy to victimize
    because the crooked "buyers" NEVER even have to deal with
    their credit card companies OR with the scammed seller. PayPal
    does the stealing for them.

    Most sellers are totally defenseless against PayPal and crooked
    "buyers" because sellers are not permitted to defend themselves
    DIRECTLY with the credit-card issuer.

    Sellers using a REAL merchant account ARE the merchant of record.
    Crooks are required to deal with their own credit card issuer, AND
    the seller is able to deal with THAT issuer as well.

    The security folks at the credit-card companies KNOW that MANY
    EBAY "buyers" are scummy and broke thieves. A fake SNAD-claim
    is hard for the crooks to maintain against a sophisticated seller
    who can talk directly to the card-security people.

    Also, the credit-card issuers will often "look to the contract" when
    trying to resolve a bogus-return claim. "No returns" - absent a
    legitimate SNAD-claim - actually MEANS "no returns."

    ........

    The cheapest good merchant account is available at COSTCO.
    They use regional banks and the seller becomes a customer
    of those banks. Credit check policies are reasonable; if you
    have not burned any banks, you can prolly be approved.

    If you are friendly with your banker, that is the best option
    for a merchant account, but they are cost prohibitive if you
    are not doing volume biznez.

    ...............

    Next year, EBAY is scheduled to require sellers to use only
    merchant accounts that can be "fully integrated" with EBAY's
    payment platform.

    I asked my bank if they were going to comply with the pending
    requirement. The banker laughed in my face.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd bet this seller does not even have a merchant CC account...his FB suggests that he wants payments mailed to him and is just indicating that Visa/MC method of payment to get around ebay's rules regarding payment.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd bet this seller does not even have a merchant CC account...his FB suggests that he wants payments mailed to him and is just indicating that Visa/MC method of payment to get around ebay's rules regarding payment. >>



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    I'm pretty sure he has a merchant account.


    Toolhaus


    A disgusting seller plagued by disgusting buyers.

    He has obviously "had it" with the vile creatures
    that masquerade as "buyers" on EBAY.

    .........

    Lots of buyers still ask if they can send a check/MO.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm pretty sure he has a merchant account.


    How can you be sure? His FB indicates that he is deceptive and vindictive in his e-mails, so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.

    Very few buyers ask to mail payments these days...I'd say out of 50 transactions, I get maybe 1 or 2 who want to mail payment.

    There are many untrustoworthy buyers out there, but a large number of deceptive sellers also. This is not a seller whose feedback inspires any sort of confidence in me if I'm the buyer.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...How can you be sure?..."

    /////////////////////////////////


    Can't be.

    BUT.........

    1. He has lots of sales in the past 6-months.

    2. If he was insisting on paper payments, some of his unhappy
    buyers would have snitched on him.

    .........

    99% of buyers never heard of toolhaus.

    Bad sellers - like this guy seems to be - still appear to have good
    FB #s on the EBAY FB pages.

    ...............

    EBAY - USA gets about 62 million visitors a month.

    PayPal gets about 27 million US visitors a month.

    (Visitor = an individual person)

    Depending on the listing categories, a very large
    number of buyers still prefer to send a check.

    .............

    EBAY USA

    Visits per Month 1,496,746,966

    People per Month 62,122,760


    PayPal
    USA traffic

    Visits per Month 168,962,516

    People per Month 27,028,091

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    For fun:

    EBAY.CA (Canada)

    Visits per Month 6,568,518

    People per Month 1,515,523

    ....................

    wiki,

    In 2008, PayPal's TPV off eBay exceeded volume on eBay for the first time. PayPal's Total Payment Volume in 2008 was $60 billion representing nearly 9 percent of global e-commerce and 15 percent of US e-commerce




    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EBAY - USA gets about 62 million visitors a month.

    PayPal gets about 27 million US visitors a month.

    (Visitor = an individual person)

    Depending on the listing categories, a very large
    number of buyers still prefer to send a check.


    I've had a couple hundred transactions in the past year, and less than 5% of those buyers asked to pay by check. I'd also say that Ebay gets more than twice as many visitors per month than Paypal because many ebayers don't buy something each time they visit. Would be interesting to hear from other sellers here on the board if they get a larger % of buyers asking to pay by check or MO..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...Would be interesting to hear from other sellers here on the board if they get a larger % of buyers asking to pay by check or MO..."

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    Yup.


    Mainstream-collectible buyers are largely spooked; they no longer
    want to send paper payments.

    (I am thinking cards, currency, coins, stamps as "mainstream collectibles."
    I do note that some coin folks on the CLCT forum still pay by check, tho.)

    Oddball or niche collectibles - eg. ethnic items and glass - still tend to
    get lots of paper payments.

    The age of buyers drawn to different categories of collectibles also
    has an impact, though. Old folks are not huge PayPal users, unless
    they came to EBAY in the past few years; the original gang of seniors
    still prefer sending checks. (They trust sellers more than they trust PP
    with their "information.")

    ..............................

    Used clothing - mostly what I sell - gets lots of paper payment requests.
    Designer fashion, much less. Used electronics - for parts - gets a good
    number of paper payment requests, while "working" used electronics
    gets very few paper payment requests.

    ........................................

    Until a few years ago, I usually paid by check or MO. I would not do
    that, today.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sell only baseball cards and coins so I suppose that may explain why I get such a low % of buyers preferring to mail payment..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,770 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>EBAY - USA gets about 62 million visitors a month.

    PayPal gets about 27 million US visitors a month.

    (Visitor = an individual person)

    Depending on the listing categories, a very large
    number of buyers still prefer to send a check.


    I've had a couple hundred transactions in the past year, and less than 5% of those buyers asked to pay by check. I'd also say that Ebay gets more than twice as many visitors per month than Paypal because many ebayers don't buy something each time they visit. Would be interesting to hear from other sellers here on the board if they get a larger % of buyers asking to pay by check or MO.. >>



    I've never calculated it precisely, but I'd say "less than 5%" for me is about right.....around 1 outa 20 or 25 or so
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    daddymcdaddymc Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭
    I only sell sport cards, but I would say my experience is similar in that only 1 or 2 in 50 ask to pay by check or money order. When they ask I tell them I will only accept a USPS money order though. I don't want to mess around with waiting for the payment to clear and then get dinged for slow shipping.
    Currently working on: Kurt Warner PSA 9 or 10

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    ive taken a few "paper" payments, postal money order or cashiers check only though.
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    packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I am always willing to tak a check or money order, before the imposed paypal change, I would say about 5-10% were paper payments. I am still close to 5% , I phrase my shipping "Iaccept all forms of acceptable payments including paypal."
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