Charlie Manuel not impressed with Pettitte
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Ya gottta love a guy who says what he thinks like Jimmy Rollins, and Charlie Manuel. 
Makes for great theatre.
The downside is of course Andy Pettitte goes out there and gets his 17th career post season win.
It’s a good thing Andy Pettitte owns the most postseason victories in major league history. Otherwise, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel probably wouldn’t even know Pettitte’s name.
Manuel certainly didn’t extend many accolades toward the left-hander yesterday when he was asked about the Phillies facing Pettitte tonight in Game 3 of the World Series.
“Andy Pettitte, he’s a lot like anybody else who ages — his stuff is kind of starting to dwindle down,” Manuel said.
Makes for great theatre.The downside is of course Andy Pettitte goes out there and gets his 17th career post season win.
It’s a good thing Andy Pettitte owns the most postseason victories in major league history. Otherwise, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel probably wouldn’t even know Pettitte’s name.
Manuel certainly didn’t extend many accolades toward the left-hander yesterday when he was asked about the Phillies facing Pettitte tonight in Game 3 of the World Series.
“Andy Pettitte, he’s a lot like anybody else who ages — his stuff is kind of starting to dwindle down,” Manuel said.
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what are his overall numbers in the WS?
Pettitte is 16–9 with a 3.83 ERA and 154 strikeouts in 38 postseason games (1995–2003, 2005, 2007, 2009), with the most postseason wins in the history of Major League Baseball. Pettitte has pitched 237.1 innings in the postseason.
During the period from 1995–2009, no major league pitcher has accumulated more victories
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personally, I can't get my head around all the "all time" playoff stats the yanks accumulate. with the extra round of the playoffs and the myriad of opportunities, it makes sense they'd be accumulation stat leaders.. that being said, I'd love to have him on my squad. I just dont consider him an "all time great" these numbers might otherwise imply.
<< <i> Otherwise, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel probably wouldn’t even know Pettitte’s name.
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Certainly in jest I hope.
Cholly plays the Buddy Ryan game sometimes. He takes the heat off of his players and generates his own bit of controversy. He'll let people play the dumb hick thing all day then go out and whack 'em on the field.
He's sly, intuitive, and well respected among managers as a real baseball expert. He also has built a great team of coaches around him.
Anybody that could argue with Ted Williams about hitting and get Ted to actually consider his theory must know his stuff.
Check out his history as a manager and coach, beginning with the Twins farm system in Wisconsin I believe, after he came back from Japan. It's very interesting.
<< <i>it's funny, I remember Andy as much for his massive implosions as well as the gems he's pitched.
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Of course you would. You don't like the Yankees and obviously have relished the implosions Pettite has had. Remember, that 3.83 career ERA in the post season includes 2 real disasters. Andy Pettitte has been very very good ALOT more in the post season than he has not.
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<< <i>it's funny, I remember Andy as much for his massive implosions as well as the gems he's pitched.
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Came close to being implosions for the Phillies in '99 when they almost worked a trade for him.
Can't knock a guy who has been around for so long.
Anybody that questions how good Andy Pettit is doesn't really know baseball!
And as far as stats...................how about MR the closer.....................those ARE some stats!!!!
<< <i>well. Pettitte pitched OK, but wasnt dominating. He certainly pitched better than Toe Camel Hamel who has been craptacular the last few starts. They should consider Happ in place of Hamels. >>
do you think that Tex was stuck out on that ball which was called ball 4?
do you think that Arods ball was an HR?
did you see 2 dinky flares that fell in for singles?
yanks definitely were the benefit of good fortune. THAT BEING SAID (and Im sure noone will fully quote me when making a response, as usual).... Cole has to learn to MAN UP and make a pitch to get out of trouble, deserved trouble or not, it doesn't matter. you have to pick up for a bad situation in the real world. Once he learns that and becomes less of a front-runner, he'll be a great number 2.
How do ya like that Manuel?
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That WAS clearly a HR......why do you think it only took a few seconds to make the call??
<< <i>That WAS clearly a HR......why do you think it only took a few seconds to make the call??
cause the UMPs are more concerned with how they look than making the right call. the ball was on it's way down, it hits the front of the camera which is in fair ground. might it have been a HR? maybe, but certainly not definitive to overturn? What I think is they'll come up with some groundrule after the game that says the camera is officially part of the "over the fence" area no matter where it hits.
anyway. that HR isn't why the phils lost the game. Cole couldn't make an out pitch, the yankees hitters bled the phils pen, and the phils stopped hitting. yanks were the better balanced squad tonight, period.
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<< <i>well. Pettitte pitched OK, but wasnt dominating. He certainly pitched better than Toe Camel Hamel who has been craptacular the last few starts. They should consider Happ in place of Hamels. >>
do you think that Tex was stuck out on that ball which was called ball 4?
do you think that Arods ball was an HR?
did you see 2 dinky flares that fell in for singles?
yanks definitely were the benefit of good fortune. THAT BEING SAID (and Im sure noone will fully quote me when making a response, as usual).... Cole has to learn to MAN UP and make a pitch to get out of trouble, deserved trouble or not, it doesn't matter. you have to pick up for a bad situation in the real world. Once he learns that and becomes less of a front-runner, he'll be a great number 2. >>
That is not "good fortune" GRASSHOPPER. It is called baseball. You are a complete dingleberry if you are whining about strike calls when I noticed at least a half dozen a foot outside called on the Yankees. YOU are the one who needs to man up as a fan cause if you think all of that stuff was "good fortune" then you GRASSHOPPER do not know baseball.
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<< <i>Im confident in my baseball knowledge. Ive been playing it my whole life. I dont just talk about it on the boards like some. >>
Yeah ok there Natural. You have been playing this game your whole life and believe balls and strike calls and clean dunker base hits are "good fortune" ?
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I'm just glad Werth doesn't get to bat more.....that guy is a monster!
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he did not look comfortable last nite at all, they were lucky they hit hamels, he's struggling this post season
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I love hearing the "complaining" about calls and such when they seem to have gone both ways this entire series. At least we're not talking about the calls that Maddux and Glavine used to get when their pitches were half way into the other batter's box.
To have a post-season record of 17-8 and an ERA of almost 4.0, tells me the Yanks have given him great run support over the years.
It seems to me when he is on, he takes even the best left handed hitters out of the equation.
<< <i>Pettite has thrown some gems over the years. I specifically recall him winning the pivotal game 5 in '96 vs. the Braves 1-0. He has also been brutal at times. Specifically the '01 series he let AZ pretty much have their way with him in '01.
To have a post-season record of 17-8 and an ERA of almost 4.0, tells me the Yanks have given him great run support over the years.
It seems to me when he is on, he takes even the best left handed hitters out of the equation. >>
Those few brutal games is the reason for that 3.80 or so era. No excuse but without running the numbers I would think his era would be closer to 3.00 without them. Of course there is no option but to consider all of his outings and he has had his share of eggs. With that said, 17 post season wins are alot of wins in pressure situations.
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