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STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭
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Remember ... that without us coin dealers cannot exist !!


Stewart Blay

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  • jacktheknifejacktheknife Posts: 1,547 ✭



    I've had that thought many times.

    Jack


  • lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Remember ... that without us coin dealers cannot exist !!


    Stewart Blay >>



    Is there a particular recent story you want to share which caused this comment...image
    pcgs.com/SetRegistry/half-cents/lincoln-cents-specialty-sets/lincoln-cents-basic-set-colorless-matte-proof-1909-1916/publishedset/102180
    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    Down with the man.....power to the people! image


    Always wanted to say that.
    In this instance, I'm not really sure why!
    image
  • BSHINCBSHINC Posts: 549
    Just another Rant for no reason.

    Or, Does someone that cares, want to ask Stewart
    why he would post this in a Registry Forum?

    And I always wanted to say that...image
  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    Stewart,
    Since I consider myself a "true collector" and I agree with your statement that dealers can't exist without us collectors, and I know that YOU are also a "true collector", can I make a request of you? Please find your favorite dealer and have him pick up a couple of PR69DCAM 1998 and 1999 close AM proof Lincoln cents for your collection. Then please register the two coins into your proof sets so you can again be 100% complete in that Set Registry. Your favorate dealer will be happy. You will be happy. It will be a "win-win" for all of us.
    Steveimage
    My True View Album

    My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    Steve - Perhaps I will buy one of each and register them. Modern Crap that one needs for the purpose of Set Registry.

    BTW I just bought one of each Proof 70 D Cam 2009 cents and found a finger smudge on one of them.... And I paid $250 for each coin


    Stewart
  • EarlycoinEarlycoin Posts: 110 ✭✭


    << <i>Modern Crap that one needs for the purpose of Set Registry. >>




    Ouch! Low Blow! image

    I only wish my grandparents did what I am doing for my grandkids!
    Earlycoin

    My E-Bay Stuff
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just what is a "true collector"? I have never seen the term defined in a universally acceptable form. So far all I've seen are individual perceptions and biases.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just what is a "true collector"? I have never seen the term defined in a universally acceptable form. So far all I've seen are individual perceptions and biases. >>



    Not sure what the definition of a "true collector" is, but surely it wouldn't include someone who spends crazy money on a "perfect" coin w/ smudges that they don't want and which they haven't looked at in hand just to fill a spot in a set definied by some third party, would it??? imageimage

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  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    Just what is a "true collector"? I have never seen the term defined in a universally acceptable form. So far all I've seen are individual perceptions and biases.

    If you collect something and you're not a 'true collector' are you a false one? image
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Just what is a "true collector"? I have never seen the term defined in a universally acceptable form. So far all I've seen are individual perceptions and biases. >>



    Not sure what the definition of a "true collector" is, but surely it wouldn't include someone who spends crazy money on a "perfect" coin w/ smudges that they don't want and which they haven't looked at in hand just to fill a spot in a set definied by some third party, would it??? imageimage >>



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    Early Dollar Set
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    O.K. guys I did not spend $250 on the coin. It was given to me on memo and I did not look at it. However laughingly I showed it to an early copper
    specialist who asked me why it had a finger smudge on it ? I was not surprised. PCGS bought it back for $250.


    I posted this thread because without passionate collectors there would not be real markets for coins. There would only be manipulated ones.

    Stewart
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭


    << <i>I posted this thread because without passionate collectors there would not be real markets for coins. There would only be manipulated ones.

    Stewart >>



    image

    I think I key part of this is:

    If on your first view of the coin, you don't say Wow, return it.
  • scottgardenerscottgardener Posts: 1,205 ✭
    Agreed; there are dull coins that get good grades and there are wow coins. When going to shows, I try to see which coins I notice first.
    Improperly Cleaned, Our passion for numismatics is Genuine! Now featuring correct spelling.
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    posted this thread because without passionate collectors there would not be real markets for coins. There would only be manipulated ones

    Passion is a very strong emotion. And one that is easily manipulated by a good salesman, er, dealer.image
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    O.K. guys I did not spend $250 on the coin. It was given to me on memo and I did not look at it. However laughingly I showed it to an early copper specialist who asked me why it had a finger smudge on it ? I was not surprised. PCGS bought it back for $250.

    Score another $250 for the coin dealers. Way to go, Stewart!
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I collect... therefore, I am a collector

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • scottgardenerscottgardener Posts: 1,205 ✭
    I get the impression that when Blay says "real" collector, it's less about the expense or grandiosity of the collection and more about the heart and soul. There are people who play the market and buy holders that happen to have coins in them, and then there are those who love coins.
    Improperly Cleaned, Our passion for numismatics is Genuine! Now featuring correct spelling.
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes Scott, when I go to the bank to view my coins I become euphoric,lost in a paradise of sorts. As Andy says I am transported back in time. Coins that turn me on

    can cure some ills, make me smile and get me through some difficult times. One can say coins are an addiction most specifically collector coins.

    Stewart
  • jacktheknifejacktheknife Posts: 1,547 ✭



    Oh, it's an addiction alright. I need a fix bad, man!!

    Jack


  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's a certain feeling I get when I see a "collector coin" that is hard to describe. It is like a flash of euphoria, and I actually here one particular sound in my head. Those are the coins that drive my passion. Yes, I collect a complete date and variety set, so I don't have that feeling with every coin I have purchase, but that doesn't make me any less of a collector. My goal is to get as many "bell ringers" into my set as possible during my collecting lifetime.

    Stewart, do you remember the first coin you bought that rang your bell like that? I do.
    Doug
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,457 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Remember ... that without us, coin dealers cannot exist !!


    Stewart Blay >>



    And without the mint, we wouldn't have any coins.
    Order gold today. Sell it to a dealer for less, tomorrow.



    'shakin' the bush, boss" image
  • scottgardenerscottgardener Posts: 1,205 ✭
    es, I'm guilty of getting coins to fill sets. But, I will gravitate towards the one that stands out.

    One of my best coins in terms of eye appeal is a 1908 $10 eagle, graded AU58. (It's one of my NGCs. My collection is PCGS-heavy, but I do collect from the other guy, too, particularly when the coin speaks for itself.) The grade is accurate, as it does have a slight rub keeping it out of uncirculated range. But, its lack of flaws or scratches, coupled with some rather exquisite toning, make it worth more to me than a typical MS62 or 63 that would cost hundreds more. It's probably one of my best examples of a coin that appeals specifically to collectors more than investors. I do a bit of both, but I don't see myself selling this one off any time soon.
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To define a "true collector", one must first, define a "cheat coin". Of course, a "cheat coin" could be defined in many ways. But the definition really depends on the collector, doesn't it? How knowledgeable that collector is with the series and the coins he collects. They may not even know. Should we fault those collectors for being ignorant? The answer to that is, "no" but it is sad when they go to sell and find out their coins didn't measure up to the high standards true collectors had set for themselves long ago.


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A true collector is someone who doesn't sell. He just buys to form his collection. Keeps his duplicates in a second collection.

    A strict dealer is someone who doesn't collect. he buys only to sell. Looks at the profit only. Doesn't care what it is he's selling.

    I think there are very few who fall into either category. Everyone else is a collector/dealer or a dealer/collector.



    So to answer Stewarts post: we need each other for the coin market to exist.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A true collector is someone who doesn't sell. He just buys to form his collection. Keeps his duplicates in a second collection...
    >>

    I believe that a collector who occasionally sells some of his coins in order to acquire up-grades and/or different coins for his collection is just as "true" a collector as one who never sells.
  • FilamCoinsFilamCoins Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A true collector is someone who doesn't sell. He just buys to form his collection. Keeps his duplicates in a second collection...
    >>

    I believe that a collector who occasionally sells some of his coins in order to acquire up-grades and/or different coins for his collection is just as "true" a collector as one who never sells. >>



    I concur.

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