Brirish India 1835 One Rupee

ajaan · October 25, 2009 4:51AM

Is there an easy way to tell the difference between the Proof-Like and Proof coins? I just bought this one today. It was labeled as Proof. I can't get lustre to image well. A lot of lustre on the coin.

Blackhawk · October 25, 2009 10:52AM

I always use this method of identifying better varieties...If I have it, it's the less expensive one.

koincollect · October 26, 2009 2:40AM

This does not have a look of a proof. This is in all probability a proof like restrike.

ajaan · October 26, 2009 3:18AM

Is there a restrike version of the raised F variety? I thought only the incused "F" variety had a restrike.

koincollect · October 27, 2009 2:57AM

The raised F variety seems to be the most common of all the restrikes that have been in the market. I do not recollect any others I have seen in the past 5 years!

SYRACUSIAN · October 28, 2009 3:47AM

Without any particular knowledge of this coin and its restrikes, I'd check the edges first, (razor sharp?) to determine if it's a proof or a proof like. Also, compare the buying price with the cat price of a proof. If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't.

Or have it certified and leave it to the grading gods.

ajaan · October 28, 2009 6:22AM

<< <i>Or have it certified and leave it to the grading gods. >>

I'm going with this option.

7Jaguars · October 28, 2009 1:16PM

Given the incredible range of restrikes, they remain a real possibility and is what I think the most likely. If it gets slabbed, that still does not change my opinion but so much the better for you!

ajaan · October 28, 2009 9:32PM

The image is really crappy. The coin is really a lot nicer in hand. I know who I bought it from, it was labeled 'Proof', so if it isn't I can probably get some money back. I really didn't pay much for the coin so I don't want to return it, I may just ask for a partial refund of the grading fees. I really don't care what grade it grades, I just want to know if it is authentic, Proof, Proof-like, or MS.

ajaan · November 25, 2009 8:34AM

I had Cameron Keifer submit the coin to ANACS for me. Today the grade was posted:

Item Date Mint Denom Variety Grade Shipped
4390942 1835 1R BR INDIA RESTRIKE KM-450.2 64 11/25/2009

What really confuses me is that Krause doesn't list a restrike for KM#450.2 Is this just an omission by Krause? Anyone have a value for this coin in "64"? I don't know if that is PL64, MS64 or what. I know Krause says $250 for PL and $300 for MS in Unc. Are these accurate?

coinpictures · November 25, 2009 9:26AM

ajaan · November 25, 2009 9:48AM

Thanks for the pricing info Dan. They don't show a restrike either.

Moonwinx · November 25, 2009 12:14PM

Do you have a U.S. proof to compare yours to?

Proofs look like mirrors and will reflect an object held nearby, like ring or newspaper print

If surface looks ALMOST as shiny but does not actually reflect, it may be prooflike.

Here's a way for us to possibly tell form next photos...

• Take pic with ring hanging close by; I mean really close. Use amual focus and focus on area of reflection but on coin

• Then take pic and focus beyond coin, focusing only on reflected object, then show us both

: )

Here are couple of examples to give you better idea...

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coin is prooflike

Proof 'mirrorness' is not easy to show in straight-on images. Reflection is of sailboat image photographed professionally, by me, long ago, in early 1980's.

Here is same coin (Conder token) photographed in normal manner

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Here is another prooflike example

Here is same token photographed in normal manner

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Here is a stunning U.S proof with mirror fields. Note the difficulty on focusing on coin and ring, because with macro photos, depth-of-field is VERY shallow.

Moonwinx · November 25, 2009 12:19PM

BTW, 'numismatography' is a term coined by thebleeper on ebay's Coins & Paper Money discussion board, five years ago.

Here are a couple of images I prepared a while back.

koincollect · November 25, 2009 12:42PM

The restrikes are all designated as Prooflike. The correct terminology in fact is prooflike restrike. ANACS put MSxx restrike, PCGS PRxx restrike, early NGC PFxx restrike and now they put PLxx restrike.
Please let me know if you are interested in selling this one.

ColinCMR · November 25, 2009 12:47PM

When were the restrikes minted?

Moonwinx · November 25, 2009 1:24PM

Finally, here is another proof in very good photos, still not perfect, but very satisfying. : )

Sorry to have to show so many U.S. coins, but I think they'll help if you like to photograph coins and are seeking to improve, as most of us are. : )

Brirish India 1835 One Rupee

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