Two PSA 7 Goudey Ruths...
thunderdan
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Never a good sign when the pics are this blurry not to mention the low # feedback and short time on eBay.
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1992 GCL, 93 Stadium Club, 93 Greensboro,, 93 South Atlantic League, 93 Topps Marlins & Rockies,, 94 Classic Tampa, 94 Procards Tampa, 94 Florida State League & 95 Columbus Clippers.
so what are your suspikions?
"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it"
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WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
<< <i>I saw that. I'm not saying I'm 100% certain that these are fake clips or Craigslist scam cards; however, there are too many things going on here that raise suspicion. >>
That was my gut feeling, as soon as I seen them.
<< <i>The Gehrig card was bought by a very reputable buyer. If he left positive feedback, I'm guessing these cards are legit. >>
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Kinda looks like he did not know who he was leaving FB for.
He left FB for a "buyer;" could be a simple mistake.
Fast payment, great communication. slobetz ( 577) Sep-29-09 22:35
1934 Goudey Lou Gehrig #37 SGC 80 (#220484959588) US $2,124.00
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The CL stuff has fooled a number of pretty sharp folks.
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EDIT ADD:
Looks like slobetz meant to say:
"Fast Shipment, Great Communication"
<< <i>so what are your suspikions? >>
For starters, the flips look eerily similar to the Craigslist flips. Then, the blurry pics. Also, low feedback and hasn't sold many hi-priced cards. Finally, with the VCP of those cards being around $21K in total ($13K and $8K respectively), it is odd for him to sell them together and selling them on eBay vs. through an auction house.
Steve
Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
Doesn't look like he's sent any of his buyers feedback yet!
Very suspicious indeed!
PoppaJ
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"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it"
They were in pristine slabs and had counterfeit flips.
(The cert numbers all matched on the PSA site.)
1933 Goudey Ruth #53 PSA 5
T206 Cobb Re portrait PSA 6
t206 Cobb Bat on PSA 6
1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #92 PSA6
1934 Goudey Gehrig PSA5
1952 Bowman Mantle PSA 6
1954 Aaron PSA 7
1954 Aaron PSA 6
1955 Clemente PSA6
1956 Mantle PSA 7
1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 4
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Locations were all over California.
NC, SC, NJ. (Others also.)
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Among the Hispanic names used by the sellers:
Contreras
Hernandez
"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it"
thats a nice 52 Topps Mante rookie you won recently. I was wondering if you might be interested in the following vintage cards graded PSA. If you are seriously interested in them I can provide you with detailed scans of each card.
1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle PSA 8
1953 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 8
1956 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 8
1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #53 PSA 7
1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #144 PSA 7
1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #149 PSA 7
1933 GOudey Babe Ruth #181 PSA 7
1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #92 PSA 8
Mind you, I didn't win a 52 topps Mantle on eBay, but that didn't stop him from spamming me. These cards are all part of the Craigslist scam, and two of them are the very same that he just tried to sell.
<< <i>I met with this seller in person His cards are the real deal. I picked up The Ruth #144 PSA 7 for $6800.00 I am very happy with it. I have been around the hobby for over 20+years and I can tell you these are not the craigs list fakes. seller also hase many ungraded commons of T206's 1933 Goudeys, 51 bowmans. and 52 threw 56 Topps. The ungraded stuff I say ranged from poor condition to near mint. >>
Well now I'm convinced.
Looking for Charlie (Charley) Maxwell cards.
<< <i>I met with this seller in person His cards are the real deal. I picked up The Ruth #144 PSA 7 for $6800.00 I am very happy with it. I have been around the hobby for over 20+years and I can tell you these are not the craigs list fakes. seller also hase many ungraded commons of T206's 1933 Goudeys, 51 bowmans. and 52 threw 56 Topps. The ungraded stuff I say ranged from poor condition to near mint. >>
Well, apparently he has another PSA 7 #144 as of this morning in case anybody's interested. lol. How about posting pics of your Goudey Ruth #144?
<< <i>Actually I bought the only Ruth card#144 he had. I must have looked at his cards for a good 2 hours. They are legit. He says he has to sell them due to some finance problems. He ended his listings on ebay because he did want to let them go to cheap. I will post a pic of the ruth card soon. thunderdan he must of sent you that email before i met with him. >>
get your money back
<< <i>Actually I bought the only Ruth card#144 he had. I must have looked at his cards for a good 2 hours. They are legit. He says he has to sell them due to some finance problems. He ended his listings on ebay because he did want to let them go to cheap. I will post a pic of the ruth card soon. thunderdan he must of sent you that email before i met with him. >>
He sent me the email this morning, offering me that Goudey #144, among others. And of course, you bought your card after 8:30 am PST. Am I right?
<< <i>maybe this all goes back to some all female underworld gang? seems like a lot of the sellers are female! I guess maybe it's more believable if she needs to plead ignorance. Did she send you that scan? why does the Mantle have no flip in the first pic and reversed in the second? >>
Yes, she sent that scan, and I have no idea why things appear as they do. I spoke with her over the phone, and it was a rather strange conversation. According to her, the cards came from a collection in Mexico, where the owner had no idea they had any value. In fact, according to her, the owner was handing cards out to the kids in town. Then he donated the rest of them to her father's business. Hmm... no red flags yet. Then she starts really interrogating me how I know that when I buy cards, that I'm not buying stolen goods. The whole thing reeked of scam, then she sealed the deal when she told me she had a '53 Mantle PSA 9 and wasn't sure if it had value.
With all that being said, has anyone ever purchased these fakes? Are they easy to spot in hand? Is there a thread which details this operation?
"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it"
ambushers from 60-Minutes?
Because.........
The con-guys are ALWAYS convinced that they are the smartest
folks in the room.
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ANYBODY who bought any of the subject cards, better act fast
if they want their money back.
"... the cards came from a collection in Mexico, ..."
The original CL scamsters ALL used Hispanic names.
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"...how I know that when I buy cards, that I'm not buying stolen goods...."
CON-101: Make the mark think the items are stolen. This will remove any
questions about why the items are so cheap; and, oddly enough, the
mark will then trust everything you tell him. The first step to gaining the
confidence of the mark is to "confide" in the mark.
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"...With all that being said, has anyone ever purchased these fakes? Are they easy to spot in hand? Is there a thread which details this operation?..."
The board across the street still has some threads about the
early CL cons. (Some of the "regulars" there got burned.)
The cards are OBVIOUS fakes, to folks with experience in
touching the real ones.
Steve
If that seller is soliciting buyers - through EBAY - for off-EBAY transactions,
he can be reported to T&S.
I call Bovine Scatology.
Nick
Reap the whirlwind.
Need to buy something for the wife or girlfriend? Check out Vintage Designer Clothing.
1. He/she is unable to identify a fake/reprinted card.
2. He/she is aware of what he/she is selling (fake cards) and is in the process of committing fraud.
As has been attested to elsewhere in this thread, the fonts on both the PSA flips are completely wrong and the holders have been opened and resealed after cheap, reprinted cards have been placed inside.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.
<< <i>All I can say is the cards I saw and bought from the seller who listed the ruth lot on ebay. his cards and the Ruth card I bought from him is 100% legit. >>
Go away.
Scam, scam, scam!
<< <i>and 52 threw 56 Topps. >>
Vintageclassics, 20+ years in the biz and you still can't spell?
<< <i>Frist of all this thread has turned in to a topic of 2 diffrent people. the person bbcemporium is talking about is not the person I am talking about I can tell with ease that those are worthless fakes. The Ruth card I bought and the cards of the seller i am talking about are legit. I think many people in this thread think i am talking abou the same person bbcemporium is talking about witcch is not the case >>
No one is confusing the facts. Go back under your vintage stone.
Dear bbcemporium,
niter i bought them from a privet party. I want to get arount 12k for the
pair thanks
-thevintagecardexpress2009
Coincidence? Possibly. However, the jury is still out on whether the two Ruth cards are fakes based upon direct evidence of the cards themselves. If the buyer would post nice scans of the two cards, it may shed some light on this.
"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it"
This is funny.............
Guy registers on another forum to pump the FAKE cards.
Spells his "own" name wrong.
username vintage classiscs
name Edwin Arroyo
Edwin Aaroyo
edwin20099@yahoo.com
The constant use of different Hispanic names by these CRIMINALS
may simply be part of the scam.
There may be no genuine Mexican connection to the CL scam.
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Reports of the RICO-Enterprise can be made at:
www.ic3.gov
ic3 is an aggregator of complaints. When they receive a sufficient
number of complaints, the docs are forwarded to the FBI and
other relevant Federal LEOs.
Steve
<< <i>ebay user slobetz bought this card from him LINK and left him a positive feedback...this user also bought a 58 mantle from felicia. Is it possible the sgc card is real and the Ruths are fakes? >>
I have no clue about this specific situation...but I do know this...be careful seeing a small amount of feedback on high dollar cards and gaining confidence to bid solely on that - think about it...a seller could list a card that he doesn't have, just have a shill account win it or a fellow scamming buddy of his win it, and of course there is no shipment involved, but positive "glowing" feedback is left...with the idea to suck in others on other auctions - I've seen it happen a number of times before on ebay...again, be careful.