weights REALLY live for the early lincolns

sonofagunk

The only problem is that the list is not sorted in the new "scores"

sonofagunk

I guess I caught them in the middle of an update.

looks good now.

MastaHanky

Bah, dropped four places with the new weights. But then again, I have my new 1909S-VDB MS64RD that should bump me up a notch or two. I hope.

Keyrock

I stayed the same RSGore collection but on a possitive note, I'm king of the hill (for a day atleast in the variety series). May have to get that D/S crossed from NGC......

Keyrock

Looks like the math is wrong on DPoole's set , SOG shouldn't he be 5th still? I know you have those magical spreadsheets handy...

Rich

wayneherndon

Thanks for the post letting us know they're finally live. If you want to see what the weightings did to the rankings here's a comparison before and after. The before shot is about a week old. I was capturing it every day for awhile there waiting on the weightings to go live. They took so long to put them in place that I got less frequent on capturing the page. Still, don't think there were huge changes in the last week.

Enjoy,

WH

Spooly

I don't get it??? How does the The Zook Collection beat the Dpoole collection?

Steve

wayneherndon, thank you for the before and after listing. Could you do that for the other Lincoln sets when they come out? Thanks again. Steve

wayneherndon

Things do look a little funky. I don't have a good understanding of exactly how the system works but assuming there's not a math error, here is one possible explanation of the differences between those two sets:

The sum of the weights for this series is 419. The Zook collection is missing only the 1935-S (weight=3). Thus, despite the "99%" completion figure (really rounded down from 99.3), this set is 416/419ths complete in a weighted system.

The Poole collection is missing the 1914-D (weight=10) and the 1945 (weight=1). That makes this set (also despite the "99%" (really rounded up from 98.6%) completion figure) 408/419ths complete in a weighted system.

The PCGS Registry system has always been biased more toward completion than grade and even after weightings remains so. The greater completion of the Zook set makes up for the higher GPA of the Poole collection.

If you really want to see something weird, look down at the Roberts collection (now in 15). This set is up from 37th!!!!). While Mr. Roberts has not opened his set for viewing, I'd be willing to bet it is predominately the pre-1934 coins with high weights. The same thing appears to have happened with the Newmismatist Lincoln 1CN collection (now in 25th, up from 46th). It is open for viewing and it contains no coins after 1931. The opposite effect can be seen on the PW. C #6 (TM) (now in 39th, down from 31st) which contains no coins before 1934. These are just a few examples. Check out any set that has moved several notches and this rule seems to apply.

Hope that helps.

WH

wayneherndon

Steve,

Do you mean the MS Memorials? If so, since all the coins have the same weighting (1), I don't think there will be any changes as a result of weighting.

WH

Steve

waynehendron, I'm really more interested in the proofs and variety included sets. I know I could do this on my own, but if you have captured it and know how to display before and after together, boy that whould be great. Steve

AimMan

It seems that there are still no deductions for RB or BN coins. Otherwise a couple of those sets would not be sitting where they are.

Do you deduct the points before multiplying by the weighting ??

wayneherndon

Steve, there were no "Variety Included" sets before the weighting so not sure what I could do there. If you will let me know which proof series you're interested in (1909-42, 1950-date or both) I'll capture the relevant page now. Then, just let me know when the weightings are live and I'll put them side by side. Removing the hyperlinks in the Before list and correcting them in the After list to link from webpage to the appropriate PCGS page was a chore. So, hope you don't mind if I don't make those change. The comparison will be there but you won't be able to click and see the sets from the comparison page.

David, they're adding points for RB and RD rather than deducting for RB and BN. This does seem to be in effect. Take a look at High Desert's set which dropped a notch most likely due to less RD. Again, the Registry program rewards completeness more than grade (until the sets are complete and start fighting for number one). Thus, the sets with less RD don't feel much of a penalty.

WH

wayneherndon

Eric is having trouble logging on to the message boards and asked me to post this message:



It's a math error!

Just got this e-mail from BJ.

"The program hung up twice earlier today when we were recalculating all
the sets."

Spooly

Thanks Wayne! I couldn't log on last night. The problem with the set should be fixed today.

sonofagunk

Although I didn't check the math totally, I think the numbers for #5 and #6 re CORRECT

Poole is missing a 14-d and a 45. the 45 has a weight of 1 (can someone please just send him one :&gt and the 14-D has a weight of 10. So he is missing 11 weights.

while Zook is missing a 35-s, which is only a weight of 3

since the total weight is 419, Poole has 97% while Zook has 99.3%

since the set rating is the weighted GPA times the percentage of WEIGHTS that you have:

67.78*97%=66 for poole
66.94*99.3%=66.47 for Zook

So if poole JUST went out and bought a MS65RD 14-D (and someone gave him the 45 in 66RD, he would shoot up to 4th and be very close to 3rd (67.8)

sonofagunk

BTW, I will be posing an excel spread sheet tonight that will let you do the calcs yourself. It is done, there are just a couple of weights that I think I have wrong and the numbers do not quite add up yet.

KAJ1

Seems like the more "heavy hitters" (coins before 1930 )
the more weight you get. Look at #25, it is only 20% complete.

Kevin