Ryan Howard: First Player in MLB History 7 Consecutive Playoff Games with an RBI
DrJ
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Ryan Howard is truly earning his moniker "Clutch City" in this post season. With his first inning triple, he has now had an RBI in 7 (!) straight post season games, a new MLB record.
I dare say he is the most feared hitter in baseball. (Sorry Albert, you get to watch him on TV from your Couch again this year).
I dare say he is the most feared hitter in baseball. (Sorry Albert, you get to watch him on TV from your Couch again this year).
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Steve
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Oh and they pulled out one of the best come from behinds in recent history!!!!
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That was quite a win in the 9th tonite. Dodgers just don't have it....and they sweep the Redturds! Love it!!
Down 3-1 to the Philly's...the way the Philly's are playing....Joe should just throw in the towel and avoid further embaresment!!
<< <i>I thought he was overrated. >>
I think you meant overweighted
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That my friends sums it up.
Maybe he is psychic? He probably knew that Chase Utley would hit two home runs in game five, so he hit bad on purpose, so that he can show his clutchness in game six or seven.
Maybe he is psychic during the regular season too. He doesn't hit his best until September. Why else would he not hit the same those other five months? Maybe he is dumb and doesn't realize that he could become Superman EVERY month, instead of just saving it for September.
The REAL answer is, it is a myth to assign 'clutch' to MLB hitters as if they own that ability...rather than just recognizing that certain performances are clutch, but clutch is not engrained as an ability in that player. Otherwise, these players are pretty dumb for not calling upon that ability in the other times where they could really use it...but they fail to exhibit it. In the end, given time, the post season performances creep toward the established level of ability as produced in the thousands of high level regular season at bats.
The most feared hitter in baseball? More feared than Albert Pujols, because Pujols's teammates are not as good?? Sure, I would say his team's lineup is more feared, because it seems like they have guys on base every time...and guys that can really run too. I guess I would fear Howard if I had to pitch to him all the time with fast runners on base, as opposed to Pujols whom I can just walk and not have to worry about it much.
Of course, when you seperate the things out of the hitters control, you realize that Howard is very good, but is not close to the player Albert Pujols is. If the pitchers truly did fear Howard more than anyone, then why does Pujols have more intentional walks by a large margin?
MORGOTH, he is certainly over valued. He is consitently given the lions share of the credit for his team's success, yet Chase Utley is the superior player....among others the last few years.
<< <i>Didn't he just tie Willie Wilsons record for strikeouts in a WS? >>
Shhhhhh. You're ruining the narrative.
What happened to Howard?? Myth believers go home. NO such thing as a post season player, and if there was...Ryan Howard isn't close to it.
He will retire faaaar outside HOF caliber as a hitter. Some may end up being fooled by the RBI total becaus they don't understnad the role of teammates in such a measurement...but he is not nearly as good as Philly fans think.
Wihtout the excellent teammates he has had the last couple of years, he would be as popular as Adrian Gonazlez, and still worse than him.
The fools don't look deep enough. They have crushes on these guys. Guys like Stevek who are still in their formative teen years need to grow up quick before Howard regresses quickly to garbage.
Wait, Howard just struck out again.
<< <i>There are four guys with egg on their face posting this nonsense above. SteveK, what case was closed? The one where you and your Philly brothers are neanderthal fools?
What happened to Howard?? Myth believers go home. NO such thing as a post season player, and if there was...Ryan Howard isn't close to it.
He will retire faaaar outside HOF caliber as a hitter. Some may end up being fooled by the RBI total becaus they don't understnad the role of teammates in such a measurement...but he is not nearly as good as Philly fans think.
Wihtout the excellent teammates he has had the last couple of years, he would be as popular as Adrian Gonazlez, and still worse than him.
The fools don't look deep enough. They have crushes on these guys. Guys like Stevek who are still in their formative teen years need to grow up quick before Howard regresses quickly to garbage.
Wait, Howard just struck out again. >>
Howard had a bad World Series, that's not debatable, but since you're so astute at Googling stats and posting them here, you should know that other MLB Hall of Famers, if not most of them, have had some slumps in the World Series. Bottom line is the Phillies would not have won the WS last season or gotten to the WS this season without Ryan Howard. Case closed.
BTW: Here is the voting for NL 2009 MVP - Howard finshed third...I guess that Ryan Howard keeps fooling all those MVP voters because again he's at or near the top of the list...but he isn't fooling the stat "genius" Hoopster. LOL
2009 NL MVP vote leaders
Player 1st 2nd 3rd Points
A. Pujols, STL 32 448
H. Ramirez, FLA 15 5 233
R. Howard, PHI 6 8 217
P. Fielder, MIL 5 9 203
T. Tulowitzki, COL 3 6 172
A. Ethier, LAD 2 113
You say that the bottom line is that the Phillies would not have won the WS without Howard, case close?? Without Chase Utley, Werth, Lee, Lidge, Hammels they would not have a single WOrld Series appearance.
Without the speedy guys getting on base often in front of HOward, his RBI total you fall in love with would fall considerably, and he wouldn't FOOL you and the writers.
Hmmm, you are giving the credit to Howard again and forgetting the teammate aspect. Is it the bottom line that the Celtics would not have won all those titles without Bill Russell???
<< <i>Many HOFers have had bad post seasons, as it is a random occurence...hence the foolishness to claim that a guy like Howard is 'clutch', like you and the other fools like DrJ and Morgoth clinging to that notion. Yo guys probably believe in the Easter bunny too.
You say that the bottom line is that the Phillies would not have won the WS without Howard, case close?? Without Chase Utley, Werth, Lee, Lidge, Hammels they would not have a single WOrld Series appearance.
Without the speedy guys getting on base often in front of HOward, his RBI total you fall in love with would fall considerably, and he wouldn't FOOL you and the writers.
Hmmm, you are giving the credit to Howard again and forgetting the teammate aspect. Is it the bottom line that the Celtics would not have won all those titles without Bill Russell??? >>
I'm not sure about the Easter bunny, but I do believe in the Playboy bunny.
Lets face it, your fanatic ways with your Philly guys simply cloud your judgement. Howard is a very good hitter(not that good a defender), Chamberlain an all-time great.
Howard is not nearly as good as you make him out to be, or nearly as good as his inflated RBI totals fool the writers(not to mention the writers inability to look at other aspects of a player).
Chamberlain is an all-time great...but because he was a pit bull playing with poodles, he looked like that would look when put in the same arena. It created awe, but keep the awe in perspective.
<< <i>SteveK,
Lets face it, your fanatic ways with your Philly guys simply cloud your judgement. Howard is a very good hitter(not that good a defender), Chamberlain an all-time great.
Howard is not nearly as good as you make him out to be, or nearly as good as his inflated RBI totals fool the writers(not to mention the writers inability to look at other aspects of a player).
Chamberlain is an all-time great...but because he was a pit bull playing with poodles, he looked like that would look when put in the same arena. It created awe, but keep the awe in perspective. >>
Anyone else think this little argument is getting really lame and think hoopster just sounds like a whiner repeating the same crap over and over again?
He will now go back to sleep for a month, awake and continue this diatribe at a later date.
Or he is becoming senile in his old age and just remembered this thread and began posting to it......again
Either way everyone understands the importance of team mates with regard to Ribbies I mean cmon, the guy ain't hitting
140+ homers per year. Of course he is driving in team mates.
Baseball is a very simple game, I really do not need a statistical analysis for every damn pitch, ground ball or hit.
Steve
<< <i>Baseball is a very simple game, I really do not need a statistical analysis for every damn pitch, ground ball or hit. >>
CU Nation thanks you for your refreshing lack of insufferableness.
I know you understand that about teammates and RBI, and I think SteveK understands it.
However, whenever people bring up RBI totals and use them as criteria, without taking this into account, it then shows something completely diferent than understanding it.
Tunahead, I don't even know who you are. But this is the first time I used Howard and Chamberlain together, because it shows the folly in SteveK's use of being a 'winner' in relation to Howard...but then he ditches that criteria when it comes toChamberlain because it no longer works in his favor(usually in the Bill Russell arguments).
Baseball is a simple game...luckily we have all the play by play data to separate myth from reality.
One myth is the one posted in this thread about so called 'big game clutch' players. Four guys jumped on that with Howard...but reality came calling.
Howard did nothing again in the first round...lucky for him he had super teammates to get him past that round(as usual)....but actually, I am glad he got carried there, otherwise we never would have seen him choke with a fitting end to the LCS.
We had to hear all this overhyped garbage about Howard because he has had great teammates...without such teammates, we would hear as much about him as we do Travis Hafner(which is good, but more in line with his actual value, as opposed to thinking he is comparable to a guy like Pujols).
"Clutch City," LOL!!!!
I think if you looked up "Flash in the pan" there would be a picture of Ryan Howard.
Steve
<< <i>I think if you looked up "Flash in the pan" there would be a picture of Ryan Howard.
Wow, you're a friggin' comic genius.
You should go on tour and share your considerable skills with the world.
Rock on funny man.
Hard to hear you with the egg on your face. To answer your muffled question, Arod did about as bad as Derek Jeter, who by your method of evaluation, was an absolute non factor(Jeter: 2 runs, 2 RBI in the entire post season).
If you are thinking Arod's bad hitting is proof of your theory that he can't handle pressure...then why didn't he miss all the fielding chances too??? After all, a guy who has such a nervous trait as you believe, would muff nearly every ground ball that came his way, or throw them into the stands.
You can try and wiggle your way out of the Howard egg face, LOL, but your goal of trying to fit in with the crowd here makes you look foolish, LOL. A little advice, be your own guy, and don't feel the need to have 'back up' on a message board as you waffle through EVERY sports debate with me...like you do with the Jack Morris pitching to the score.
Your such an AH.
I guess if you say something enough times you begin to believe it.
Ever produce those links?
Nah, didn't think so.
Steve
<< <i>Winpitcher, I know you understand that about teammates and RBI >>
Hmmm, on one side of your mouth you say the above, out of the other you claim I don't.
I guess you say whatever you need to say at a specific time, yeah you are a real genius I tell ya.
Can't even remember what you say from one day to the next.
Talk about looking foolish.
Oh, and one last point since you can't remember what was said, when it was said the debate here was never about
Arods fielding it was always about his hitting, nice try though.
Steve
Then I will give you an opportunity(and ask you a few questions) to clarify yourself on your stance with Howard and how good he is, and who he is better than, or not. This way, you can't claim I am making stuff up about you.
You don't understand the fielding point about that 'clutch' argument. You keep saying it isn't about his fielding. If he can't handle pressure, than his fielding should suffer too.
His failures in hitting aren't from lack of handling pressure. It is much more randmoness. Just like you guys thought Howard was a 'clutch' player, until it started to even out.
You should go on tour and share your considerable skills with the world.
Rock on funny man. <<<
I'm glad you liked it bleedinggreen. Only thing is that it is the truth and not meant to be funny.
The only joke I see around these boards is that the Philly fans keep going on about how great the Philly teams are in sports!
Fact is they aren't and never have been a powerhouse in any sport except in the minds of a few clueless fans.
First off I never said he was better than Pujols. Secondly I don't ever recall saying he was better than anyone for that matter.
Also, you need to be fair when you try to minimize his contributions. For the past 3 or 4 years you claimed it was his team mates that afforded
him all these opportunities for RBI, like he was accumulating them all with 4-3 ground outs. Now, you make NO MENTION of why he had zero
RBI in the NLCS. Going into that last game he was hitting 385 on a team hitting under 200. You can't have it both ways. Face it, the guy had a good 3 or 4 year run
and it coincided with his team making the PO each year. Was he alone in all this? Of course not, baseball is a team sport. The fact remains when you drive in the amount of runs
that he has over the years you can't be leaving that many men on base and more often than not you are getting hits.
You keep lumping me in with those that claim Morris pitched to the score, Howard was better than Pujols and whatever else you decide to throw in there.
As for Arod all I tried to say earlier was during all the debates regarding him and clutch and playoffs we never discussed his fielding, so why bring it up now?
I'd like to know how many LOB's Howard had during the NLCS, that would tell me if he had opportunities and failed or not.
Steve
Look at the absolute foolish statements in the very first post of this thread. That is the heart of the things I am arguing against. And your comment in regard to the foolish statements are, "not even debatable." You don't see any support for those things in that comment?
So here it is why I used RBI...
These last several years all we heard out of the Philly fans(and you supporting them), is how great Ryan Howard is because of his high RBI totals...even claiming he is better than superior hitters(hitters who are much better in the more valid evaluative methods, but not in RBI).
We have also heard how 'clutch' Howard is, and how he is a big game player, and all that garbage...and how he is great because his team won the World Series and now go to the playoffs every year.
But now, based on their RBI evaluative method, he had the worst possible post season performance...ZERO RBI. And he failed in the biggest and most 'pressure packed' at bat of his career, ending the LCS. This coming on the heels of one of the worst World Series performances!
So your camp really has two options. 1) Recognize that Howard is indeed NOT a big game player, and that his RBI totals make him look better than he truly is, or
2) Come into the light and realize that using post season performances, or RBI totals as key evaluative methods...are probably not very accurate or fair methods to draw conclusions from. But rather stick with the high validity evaluative tools.
<< <i>And your comment in regard to the foolish statements are, "not even debatable." >>
I had to edit this post, I did say "Not even debatable". Skip, surely you knew it was said in jest as that is SteveK's
phrase. OMG is that what all this is about?
Steve
Steve