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All i can say is Wow!! Still intact!! Someone has this currently on the bay


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  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭
    I have not idea what that is, but it look old and rare.
    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭
    That should bring a few bucks!!!

    I believe I saw that in a auction catalog a few years ago....Cant remember what they are though! are the Scrapps???
    I am on a budget and I am not afraid to use it!!
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    1888 R&S Baseball Die-Cut
  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926
    It is amazing that it is still intact!
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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    That's very cool. There's virtually no support from player to player
    Hard to believe it survived in tact like that for 120+ years
  • Evening,

    I imagine that's going to go for a tad more than the $20 I bid.

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a very nice piece, but it doesn't appear to me to be completely intact.

    If you look at the Baltimore player's left shoulder, behind the Pittsburgh player's right elbow, and the outsides of the bases on the Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York players, you see what appear to be tear-off's, where something else was attached at these points.

    As I'm not familiar with the issue, I wonder if there are more players in the set. If not, just what else was included on the complete die-cut sheet?


    Steve
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    these were in an auction house offering recently, perhaps Heritage.
    Scrapps are just heads, these are Artistic Die Cuts.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Of course, not a real auction.....now it turned into a BUY IT NOW....has true auctions on Ebay gone the way of the dinosaur???


  • << <i>All i can say is Wow!! Still intact!! Someone has this currently on the bay


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    HOLLY CRAP!!!!!

    I've never seen anything like that. If I only had $2,500.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course, not a real auction.....now it turned into a BUY IT NOW....has true auctions on Ebay gone the way of the dinosaur???

    With most bidders willing to bid only at bargain basement levels, it's easy to understand why..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • ArchaninatorArchaninator Posts: 828 ✭✭✭
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  • all of the buy it nows have ruined the market for cards. All of the sellers think that their cards are worth what they were 2 years ago because of a few sales that went pretty high on VCP. Sure they might list a card and finally get the asking price 6 months later because some idiot finally gives in and buys the one card they need for their registry set , but how long can that last? The people willing to pay above VCP are almost gone and all of the ridiculous buy it nows have put a halt on a lot of card sales and thereby slowed the interest of a ton of collectors. If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up. It's just simple ecomomics.

    My favorite line is when someone says "That $250 card just went for $150 at auction". No, that $150 card that once sold for $250 just brought $150. I hope all of the sellers that have the astronomical buy it nows that clutter Ebay (America's Auction Place, lmao), don't sell anything and end up having to list everything as auctions. That is the only way the market is going to return to cards.
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭
    WOW!!!

    over 120 years old and still in tact
    Fred

    collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.

    looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started

  • PoppaJPoppaJ Posts: 2,818
    All things considered, $2495 seems like a fair price for that piece! Not to mention, he's taking offers too.

    PoppaJ



  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    What Poppa said.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭


    << <i>all of the buy it nows have ruined the market for cards. All of the sellers think that their cards are worth what they were 2 years ago because of a few sales that went pretty high on VCP. Sure they might list a card and finally get the asking price 6 months later because some idiot finally gives in and buys the one card they need for their registry set , but how long can that last? The people willing to pay above VCP are almost gone and all of the ridiculous buy it nows have put a halt on a lot of card sales and thereby slowed the interest of a ton of collectors. If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up. It's just simple ecomomics.

    My favorite line is when someone says "That $250 card just went for $150 at auction". No, that $150 card that once sold for $250 just brought $150. I hope all of the sellers that have the astronomical buy it nows that clutter Ebay (America's Auction Place, lmao), don't sell anything and end up having to list everything as auctions. That is the only way the market is going to return to cards. >>




    Actually, the constant griping and complaining about everything from shipping to how much a person is making on cards has ruined the card selling on ebay. Too many people see "Beckett" as the be all end all price list. A baseball card is what someone is willing to pay, but it is also worth at least what the sellers lowest taking price is. I have cards that I would sell for very little, but I also have cards that I wouldnt take less than 90% of the going rate. Not everyone is in business to just sell their cards and get money, some are collectors that are not going to give everything away.

    Unfortunately, MOST ebayers are wanting something for nothing. THOSE are the people who have ruined ebay auctions, not the sellers.
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY

  • Actually, the constant griping and complaining about everything from shipping to how much a person is making on cards has ruined the card selling on ebay. Too many people see "Beckett" as the be all end all price list. A baseball card is what someone is willing to pay, but it is also worth at least what the sellers lowest taking price is. I have cards that I would sell for very little, but I also have cards that I wouldnt take less than 90% of the going rate. Not everyone is in business to just sell their cards and get money, some are collectors that are not going to give everything away.

    Unfortunately, MOST ebayers are wanting something for nothing. THOSE are the people who have ruined ebay auctions, not the sellers. >>



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  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    "If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up."

    1961toppsguy.

    Please go right ahead and do your part to help stimulate interest in the hobby by dumping your entire collection at Ebay auction at 99 cents a card to start. It will all be over in 7 days and the money you lose isn't important. You'll be supporting your theory on how people should sell their cards and this will help increase the number of sales. I wouldn't charge anything for shipping either as more people will have interest in opening the stuff up at 99 cents and this will help increase sales.
  • beautiful piece, rare item.
    Can't blame the seller for having a BIN , I would guess that 95% to 98% of the collectors have no clue or idea , what it actually is, and the way Feebay charges for reserve auctions (example 2100.00 reserve with .99 cent start, ebay fee 25.00).
  • lol, ebayers wanting something for nothing? The whole premise of Ebay is the auction format. There are millions of online stores where people can go and buy stuff without an auction. The thing that made ebay appealing to everyone that shopped on ebay was the fact that they could bid on stuff just like at a live auction. The card market is suffering because the appeal of the auction is being taken away by the sellers that have everything way overpriced and using the BIN's. It is now no different than going to a card shop and seeing a wall of overpriced stuff except at least in a card shop you can try to bargain with the guy face to face.

    Think about this for a moment. The increase of Buy it Now's has coincided with the downturn of the card market. Why is that? It's because the sellers are overvalueing everything and taking a ton of cards off the market in effect with their pricing. The interest is therefore decreasing and making the market lose value on the whole. The sellers using the buy it now format are trying to get prices for cards that no longer have that high a value. Until the ammount of auctions increase, the card market will cotinue to suffer.

    A lot of the market has to do with the ecomony and the lack of disposable income over the last year, but you can't keep last years prices and expect the market to sustain. Unfortunately, the only way for this to correct itself is for the sellers to realize a lack of sales and end up having to sell to stay affloat and thereby list their stuff at auction. It's just like the housing market or anything else of value.


  • << <i>"If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up."

    1961toppsguy.

    Please go right ahead and do your part to help stimulate interest in the hobby by dumping your entire collection at Ebay auction at 99 cents a card to start. It will all be over in 7 days and the money you lose isn't important. You'll be supporting your theory on how people should sell their cards and this will help increase the number of sales. I wouldn't charge anything for shipping either as more people will have interest in opening the stuff up at 99 cents and this will help increase sales. >>



    I sell a lot of different things on ebay. From cards to real estate. I always use the auction format and if it's something that I have to get a certain amount for then I'll set a reserve. I do it in addition to my regular job. I'm not knocking anyone that uses the BIN format, that's certainly their choice. I'm just telling you why the card market is suffering and why it will continue to suffer with regards to ebay sales. And yes, I have a degree in economics and finance so I know a little bit about the subject. Of course that's just my opinion and everyone is entitle to thiers.


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    << <i>"If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up."

    1961toppsguy.

    Please go right ahead and do your part to help stimulate interest in the hobby by dumping your entire collection at Ebay auction at 99 cents a card to start. It will all be over in 7 days and the money you lose isn't important. You'll be supporting your theory on how people should sell their cards and this will help increase the number of sales. I wouldn't charge anything for shipping either as more people will have interest in opening the stuff up at 99 cents and this will help increase sales. >>



    I sell a lot of different things on ebay. From cards to real estate. I always use the auction format and if it's something that I have to get a certain amount for then I'll set a reserve. I do it in addition to my regular job. I'm not knocking anyone that uses the BIN format, that's certainly their choice. I'm just telling you why the card market is suffering and why it will continue to suffer with regards to ebay sales. And yes, I have a degree in economics and finance so I know a little bit about the subject. Of course that's just my opinion and everyone is entitle to thiers. >>



    I just want to say I hate reserve auctions and almost never bid on them... it seems kind of pointless if you need to sell something at for x amount than either start the auction there or just use BIN. Personally I'm just not willing to give the seller the best of both worlds with reserve auctions.
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    << <i>"If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up."

    1961toppsguy.

    Please go right ahead and do your part to help stimulate interest in the hobby by dumping your entire collection at Ebay auction at 99 cents a card to start. It will all be over in 7 days and the money you lose isn't important. You'll be supporting your theory on how people should sell their cards and this will help increase the number of sales. I wouldn't charge anything for shipping either as more people will have interest in opening the stuff up at 99 cents and this will help increase sales. >>



    I sell a lot of different things on ebay. From cards to real estate. I always use the auction format and if it's something that I have to get a certain amount for then I'll set a reserve. I do it in addition to my regular job. I'm not knocking anyone that uses the BIN format, that's certainly their choice. I'm just telling you why the card market is suffering and why it will continue to suffer with regards to ebay sales. And yes, I have a degree in economics and finance so I know a little bit about the subject. Of course that's just my opinion and everyone is entitle to thiers. >>



    I just want to say I hate reserve auctions and almost never bid on them... it seems kind of pointless if you need to sell something at for x amount than either start the auction there or just use BIN. Personally I'm just not willing to give the seller the best of both worlds with reserve auctions. >>



    when I said I used a reserve, I should have said that basically 99% of the time I have no reserve. The only times I use a reserve is when it's a piece of property, car, or something that has a value well into the tens of thousands.


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    << <i>"If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up."

    1961toppsguy.

    Please go right ahead and do your part to help stimulate interest in the hobby by dumping your entire collection at Ebay auction at 99 cents a card to start. It will all be over in 7 days and the money you lose isn't important. You'll be supporting your theory on how people should sell their cards and this will help increase the number of sales. I wouldn't charge anything for shipping either as more people will have interest in opening the stuff up at 99 cents and this will help increase sales. >>



    I sell a lot of different things on ebay. From cards to real estate. I always use the auction format and if it's something that I have to get a certain amount for then I'll set a reserve. I do it in addition to my regular job. I'm not knocking anyone that uses the BIN format, that's certainly their choice. I'm just telling you why the card market is suffering and why it will continue to suffer with regards to ebay sales. And yes, I have a degree in economics and finance so I know a little bit about the subject. Of course that's just my opinion and everyone is entitle to thiers. >>



    I just want to say I hate reserve auctions and almost never bid on them... it seems kind of pointless if you need to sell something at for x amount than either start the auction there or just use BIN. Personally I'm just not willing to give the seller the best of both worlds with reserve auctions. >>



    when I said I used a reserve, I should have said that basically 99% of the time I have no reserve. The only times I use a reserve is when it's a piece of property, car, or something that has a value well into the tens of thousands. >>



    I can see using a reserve in those type of auctions... I thought you were saying you used them for sports stuff.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    "The thing that made ebay appealing to everyone that shopped on ebay was the fact that they could bid on stuff just like at a live auction."




    That is incorrect, ebay is a timed auction, live auctions are not.

    To say that 'everyone' loved the auction format is another incorrect statement.

    I'm sure some preferred the Buy it nows.

    And if you believe what you said above then you seem IMO to be one of those ebayers that want something as cheaply as possible.

    Which is not a bad thing, it actually is one of the reasons why sellers choose to start an auction at the lowest price they will take or simply use the BIN

    format. I do not have an economics degree.


    Steve

    Good for you.
  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    "when I said I used a reserve, I should have said that basically 99% of the time I have no reserve. The only times I use a reserve is when it's a piece of property, car, or something that has a value well into the tens of thousands."

    Everyone has theories on how everyone else should sell stuff but when it comes time for them to sell they're just like the people they complain about. The reason you set a reserve on your items is you didn't have confidence that Ebay would deliver two eager high quality retail bidders in the small 7 day window that your auction was on the market. Be it a value in the tens, hundreds, or thousands, you decided you didn't want to put your investment at risk. You know what your item should sell for under the right conditions. The right conditions are rare and uncontrollable in an auction. The right conditions are always there using a BIN or reserve. You choose what you sell something for, not a random auction bidder.


  • << <i>"when I said I used a reserve, I should have said that basically 99% of the time I have no reserve. The only times I use a reserve is when it's a piece of property, car, or something that has a value well into the tens of thousands."

    Everyone has theories on how everyone else should sell stuff but when it comes time for them to sell they're just like the people they complain about. The reason you set a reserve on your items is you didn't have confidence that Ebay would deliver two eager high quality retail bidders in the small 7 day window that your auction was on the market. Be it a value in the tens, hundreds, or thousands, you decided you didn't want to put your investment at risk. You know what your item should sell for under the right conditions. The right conditions are rare and uncontrollable in an auction. The right conditions are always there using a BIN or reserve. You choose what you sell something for, not a random auction bidder. >>



    like I said, to each his own. If I see that a piece of property that I have $50,000 in has no shot at getting that then I'll list it as a true auction. Or if I need to move it and the market won't allow me to sell it for what I want then I'll drop the price. Supply and demand. Right now the supply is there at x amount of dollars (buy it now), but the demand is not there for that price. At any rate, good luck to anyone on their respective sales. I just can't stand all the clutter when trying to find an auction for something. Then if I click on "auction only" I get 500 auctions that start at 200 for a card that is worth 100.

    And yes, I do look for the best deal on something, just like everyone else. No way to make money/stay in business/create wealth otherwise, but I'm just stating that the abundance of BIN's has contributed to the decline in the sportscard market and that is a FACT.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I'm just stating that the abundance of BIN's has contributed to the decline in the sportscard market and that is a FACT.


    I disagree, IMO the economy has more to do with it then what people price their items at.


    Has it contributed? Sure, but it is only one of many reasons.

    Pop increases is another reason.


    Steve
    Good for you.


  • << <i>I'm just stating that the abundance of BIN's has contributed to the decline in the sportscard market and that is a FACT.


    I disagree, IMO the economy has more to do with it then what people price their items at.


    Has it contributed? Sure, but it is only one of many reasons.

    Pop increases is another reason.


    Steve >>



    so do you agree or disagree? In your post, you disagree that BIN's have contributed to the decline in the sportscard market and then in the very next line you say , "Has it contributed? Sure."

    I never said that it was the only reason. In fact, in a previous post I acknowledged the economy's effect on it as well.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    Folks who want to give their commodity sports-collectibles away
    cheap should definitely auction them on EBAY.

    Folks who want top dollar for their items should ONLY use BINs.

    The future of EBAY in every merch-category is BINs.

    .........................


    This economic depression should be over in less than 10-years.

    It is best to hold onto stuff, if you can afford to.

    Listing items at high BINs is not a bad way to "hold onto" stuff.
    Eventually, somebody WILL pay your price.

    ............
    .........................

    I have a degree in Monkey Business and am considered a gorilla in my field.

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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>"If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up."

    1961toppsguy.

    Please go right ahead and do your part to help stimulate interest in the hobby by dumping your entire collection at Ebay auction at 99 cents a card to start. It will all be over in 7 days and the money you lose isn't important. You'll be supporting your theory on how people should sell their cards and this will help increase the number of sales. I wouldn't charge anything for shipping either as more people will have interest in opening the stuff up at 99 cents and this will help increase sales. >>



    I sell a lot of different things on ebay. From cards to real estate. I always use the auction format and if it's something that I have to get a certain amount for then I'll set a reserve. I do it in addition to my regular job. I'm not knocking anyone that uses the BIN format, that's certainly their choice. I'm just telling you why the card market is suffering and why it will continue to suffer with regards to ebay sales. And yes, I have a degree in economics and finance so I know a little bit about the subject. Of course that's just my opinion and everyone is entitle to thiers. >>



    If you have a degree in economics and finance then you should be well aware of the concept of reverse causation. The downturn in the card market may be (or may not be, but I'll play along) a function of a lack of auctions, but a lack of auctions may be a function of the downturn in the card market. Until you sort that out, your function is, uh, unidentified.
  • like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Ebay didn't become as big as it is by being an online store that only utilizes set priced listings and it is highly doubtful that the slump in sales realized by people moving to buy it now format will be encouraged by ebay. If people can afford to hold onto their stuff and want to list at high prices then that's fine with me. Just keep relisting them without anyone paying attention. Like I said, for the market to return for cards, eventually the demand has to return and keeping prices the same does not induce a higher demand. ECON 101.
  • I havent run an auction in over a year, but i consistently get the price i want with Buy it nows. On high ticket stuff i put a high, but not extravagant price with a best offer. more than 1/2 time it sells for the full price. Sometimes im very surprised with the $$ i get. No complaints.

    I do enjoy bidding on auctions however as most times i get a "deal" not a great deal, but enough that i still keep doing it (bidding)

    On items where a bidding war might ensue I think a 10 day auction started on a Wed is the way to go.


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    << <i>"If more people would list as auctions the interest would return and sales would go up."

    1961toppsguy.

    Please go right ahead and do your part to help stimulate interest in the hobby by dumping your entire collection at Ebay auction at 99 cents a card to start. It will all be over in 7 days and the money you lose isn't important. You'll be supporting your theory on how people should sell their cards and this will help increase the number of sales. I wouldn't charge anything for shipping either as more people will have interest in opening the stuff up at 99 cents and this will help increase sales. >>



    I sell a lot of different things on ebay. From cards to real estate. I always use the auction format and if it's something that I have to get a certain amount for then I'll set a reserve. I do it in addition to my regular job. I'm not knocking anyone that uses the BIN format, that's certainly their choice. I'm just telling you why the card market is suffering and why it will continue to suffer with regards to ebay sales. And yes, I have a degree in economics and finance so I know a little bit about the subject. Of course that's just my opinion and everyone is entitle to thiers. >>



    If you have a degree in economics and finance then you should be well aware of the concept of reverse causation. The downturn in the card market may be (or may not be, but I'll play along) a function of a lack of auctions, but a lack of auctions may be a function of the downturn in the card market. Until you sort that out, your function is, uh, unidentified. >>



    that's a good point and may have relevance, but in my opinion, the majority of people went to buy it nows assuming they could get VCP (or higher) that was established at auction over an elapsed period of time. What I have seen is that when a few auctions ended at below VCP, several sellers began to panic and went to buy it nows. You see auctions end below, above, and almost equal to VCP all the time. In my opinion, a few paranoid sellers have taken some anomolies and created a false sense of panic in the card seller market.


  • << <i>I havent run an auction in over a year, but i consistently get the price i want with Buy it nows. On high ticket stuff i put a high, but not extravagant price with a best offer. more than 1/2 time it sells for the full price. Sometimes im very surprised with the $$ i get. No complaints.

    I do enjoy bidding on auctions however as most times i get a "deal" not a great deal, but enough that i still keep doing it (bidding)

    On items where a bidding war might ensue I think a 10 day auction started on a Wed is the way to go. >>



    that's good. Like I said, there is no right or wrong way to do it. Several auctions end for higher than I would have priced them had I used a BIN, and several end below what I would have priced them at. The only thing I'm saying it that the increase in BIN's have contributed to the downturn in the card market, nothing more nothing less.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    "...it is highly doubtful that the slump in sales realized by people moving to buy it now format will be encouraged by ebay...."

    /////////////////////////////////


    JD continues to say he is building the "world's largest outlet mall."

    His ONLY competition is AMZN.

    By late 2010, about 70%+ of sales on EBAY are expected to be BINs.

    JD has no real longterm interest in either collectibles OR auctions.

    .........................................

    I fully understand why buyers want stuff cheap at auctions.

    What I don't understand is how sellers - who don't need cash -
    benefit by granting such buyers' wishes.
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  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    storm - but many sellers do need cash.

    Nick
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  • << <i>"...it is highly doubtful that the slump in sales realized by people moving to buy it now format will be encouraged by ebay...."

    /////////////////////////////////


    JD continues to say he is building the "world's largest outlet mall."

    His ONLY competition is AMZN.

    By late 2010, about 70%+ of sales on EBAY are expected to be BINs.

    JD has no real longterm interest in either collectibles OR auctions.

    .........................................

    I fully understand why buyers want stuff cheap at auctions.

    What I don't understand is how sellers - who don't need cash -
    benefit by granting such buyers' wishes. >>



    That is your opinion that stuff goes cheaper. I will reiterate that if all were at auction then the prices realized would be significantly higher because the interest in buying cards would return or be higher than it is now with all the ridiculous BIN's.
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    The majority of people went to buy it nows for several reasons....

    (1) They can enforce immediate payment required due to the explosion of deadbeat bidders.

    (2) As ebay fees have increased, it has become virtually impossible to sell any card under $10 and make any money at all. Those who are in it to make a little change cannot afford all the additional fees imposed by ebay as well as paypal, etc. A BIN allows sellers to sell for what they want.

    (3) Now ebay is giving bonuses (so to speak) for free shipping. If you sell a card for 99 cents and offer free shipping, how much is LOST on that auction. BIN's protect the seller


    You are confusing the fact that VCP sales account for such a small percentage of sales on ebay, so little in fact that it is totally irrelevant to the discussion. BIN's increased because ebay traffic has dropped considerably in ALL areas, not just sportscards. The economy has killed a lot of sales. It has very little to do with what people are asking for their cards, to think otherwise is absurd and reminds me of the early 90's when dealers were considered evil for only offering to pay $5 for a card that booked for $10. Apparently that "me only" thinking is still strong for a few on ebay. Like Storm said, people can ask what they want, they WILL eventually sell it at that price. To me giving my cards away so someone can feel they got a bargain on ebay is stupid. The things that built ebay, as you say, are NOT the things ebay is doing NOW. So as ebay changes, so do the sellers. It is also not a coincidence that as ebay changed their fee schedule, their shipping policies, their feedback policy, their insurance and listing policies, that BIN's also increased.

    Again, people who want to buy at auctions are wanting something for nothing. To think the card market on ebay is declining because people cant get cheap cards anymore is ridiculous. The problem is, the crap that used to sell is finally being recognized AS crap and the stuff that should be selling for more is not. So those that know cards and have collected them for a long time, know that stuff that is better WILL go back up and past what it used to be and the garbage (Garbage being a lot of the stuff not tracked by VCP) will always be garbage. You dont see as many BINS on modern as you do vintage, why is that? Because the smart collector knows the difference, the amateur doesnt because both cards "book" for the same amount.



    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY


  • << <i>The majority of people went to buy it nows for several reasons....

    (1) They can enforce immediate payment required due to the explosion of deadbeat bidders.

    (2) As ebay fees have increased, it has become virtually impossible to sell any card under $10 and make any money at all. Those who are in it to make a little change cannot afford all the additional fees imposed by ebay as well as paypal, etc. A BIN allows sellers to sell for what they want.

    (3) Now ebay is giving bonuses (so to speak) for free shipping. If you sell a card for 99 cents and offer free shipping, how much is LOST on that auction. BIN's protect the seller


    You are confusing the fact that VCP sales account for such a small percentage of sales on ebay, so little in fact that it is totally irrelevant to the discussion. BIN's increased because ebay traffic has dropped considerably in ALL areas, not just sportscards. The economy has killed a lot of sales. It has very little to do with what people are asking for their cards, to think otherwise is absurd and reminds me of the early 90's when dealers were considered evil for only offering to pay $5 for a card that booked for $10. Apparently that "me only" thinking is still strong for a few on ebay. Like Storm said, people can ask what they want, they WILL eventually sell it at that price. To me giving my cards away so someone can feel they got a bargain on ebay is stupid. The things that built ebay, as you say, are NOT the things ebay is doing NOW. So as ebay changes, so do the sellers. It is also not a coincidence that as ebay changed their fee schedule, their shipping policies, their feedback policy, their insurance and listing policies, that BIN's also increased.

    Again, people who want to buy at auctions are wanting something for nothing. To think the card market on ebay is declining because people cant get cheap cards anymore is ridiculous. The problem is, the crap that used to sell is finally being recognized AS crap and the stuff that should be selling for more is not. So those that know cards and have collected them for a long time, know that stuff that is better WILL go back up and past what it used to be and the garbage (Garbage being a lot of the stuff not tracked by VCP) will always be garbage. You dont see as many BINS on modern as you do vintage, why is that? Because the smart collector knows the difference, the amateur doesnt because both cards "book" for the same amount. >>



    nice post. I agree on a lot of your points. All I was saying is that the increase in BIN's has contributed to the decline in the sportscard market. Nothing more, nothing less.

    What is not up for debate is the fact that I, MYSELF, cannot stand to sift through 200 overpriced auctions to get to one auction for a nice set or vintage card that I want to look at. Maybe ebay should design a search function that allows people to search only auctions that start at or below a certain amount? Thoughts.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    BINs and Stores are the building blocks of the "world's largest outlet mall."

    Looks like EBAY knows that sellers are NOT going to give their stuff away in
    auctions that ONLY bargain-hunters bid on.

    ....................................

    eBay Tests Store in Search, Boosting Search Results

    By Ina Steiner
    AuctionBytes.com

    October 16, 2009

    On Wednesday, eBay users began writing on discussion boards that searches were suddenly bringing back many times more listings than usual - one seller said a search he usually conducted brought back 14,308 results instead of the usual 1,300. eBay posted an announcement 24 hours later acknowledging it was conducting a test of Stores in Search.

    Typically a small number of Store inventory listings (which are much cheaper for sellers to list) are shown at the bottom of "core" search results. eBay's current test displays all relevant Store listings in search results for "a small percentage of traffic."

    After 24 hours of speculation on the discussion boards before eBay confirmed it was running a test, sellers responded to eBay's announcement. Said one, "As a side note, perhaps in the future, ebay could consider notifying us of such tests before causing anxiety and speculation among sellers?" Another said, "The announcement only came late today which was way past due. I guess they saw all the posts that were spreading like wildfire on all the boards and figured they needed to address it after the fact."

    eBay's announcement advised sellers not to change listing formats or practices in any way "due to the limited duration of the test," and said it would not make any "permanent or significant changes in the way search results handle various listing formats without notifying sellers well in advance."

    Sellers were wondering why eBay decided to test Stores in search after having tried it in 2006 and declaring it a disaster.

    eBay Stores in Search 2006

    eBay had rolled out Stores in Search in February '06 - giving Store items exposure in core search results. They rolled it back in March, and a few months later, told sellers that the volume of Store items had hurt the core marketplace and instituted a fee increase on Store listings "intended to rebalance the overall eBay marketplace." Many sellers had said they liked the Stores in Search experience and reported increased sales, and Store owners were upset when eBay hiked Stores fees that August in an effort to "rebalance the marketplace."

    eBay's head of North American Marketplaces at the time, Bill Cobb, said the 2006 Stores in Search experience resulted in:

    buyers exiting the site more often;
    buyers watching fewer items;
    buyers returning less often.

    At the time, auctions accounted for about 91% of the gross merchandise value sold on eBay.com. The company also said at the time that while eBay.com core listings typically sold in about two weeks, Store Inventory listings on average took 14 times longer to sell.

    Former CEO Meg Whitman had said that Stores in Search had overwhelmed the marketplace "with identical, often poorly-priced items that have diluted the magic of the eBay experience."

    Sellers are now wondering what has changed 3 years later and are offering theories on forums and blogs. A poster on the AuctionBytes blog said some collectibles categories are very empty, and wrote, "Including store items in search would give the appearance that there are more of certain collectibles items for sale. For certain searches in my collectibles category, the only items available are in stores."

    Meanwhile, sellers continue to cope with the new Top Rated Seller program launched earlier this month that affects their placement in search results, along with changes to the Best Match search algorithm.


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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    " All I was saying is that the increase in BIN's has contributed to the decline in the sportscard market. Nothing more, nothing less."



    So as to not confuse you again what I'd like to say is that it has contributed (possibly) to the decline of the sports card market ON EBAY NOT the market as a whole.

    Ebay is just one facet of the market. Private sales, shows, shops, and auction houses make up the market too.


    Steve


    Good for you.
  • what does the "Top Rated Seller" do to your searches? I have the Top Rated Seller tag as well as the Power Seller tag.


  • << <i>" All I was saying is that the increase in BIN's has contributed to the decline in the sportscard market. Nothing more, nothing less."



    So as to not confuse you again what I'd like to say is that it has contributed (possibly) to the decline of the sports card market ON EBAY NOT the market as a whole.

    Ebay is just one facet of the market. Private sales, shows, shops, and auction houses make up the market too.


    Steve >>



    I agree with you. The only thing confusing with your first post was the fact that you disagreed and then agreed within a 2 sentence time frame.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...what does the "Top Rated Seller" do to your searches?..."

    ///////////////////////////

    Gives them a little bump in both BestMatch and - when relevant - other chosen returns.

    Can be selected from the side-panel as a "show only" item.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Great post to read. Excellent stimulating points by virtually all regarding ebay sales. In both scenarios(BIN and auction style) can work well given the particular card. However I am not a fan of the reserve auctions. Either set a price or let it ride.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    I agree with what alot of you have been saying. I have noticed an abundance of grossly overpriced BIN's. I can only speak for myself as a seller. My BIN's cards ARE NOT grossly overpriced - I am usually the cheapest seller for that card in that grade. My sales have slowed down substantially. When I do BEST OFFERS, the offers I get are less than what All Star Cards pays on their BUY list. If I were to accept the lowball offer, after fees, I get substantially less than if I were to just ship it off to ASC no questions asked. When I do my cards for 99 cents, no reserve, they go for pitiful prices. In a nutshell, I am not sure of what Ebay is doing or where they plan on being in 10 years. If it continues the way it is, it will be a boon for the buyer, and terrible for the seller. The sellers will tire of giving stuff away, and disappear. Then without sellers, you are stuck with grossly overpriced BIN's. We are almost there already....


  • << <i>like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Ebay didn't become as big as it is by being an online store that only utilizes set priced listings and it is highly doubtful that the slump in sales realized by people moving to buy it now format will be encouraged by ebay. If people can afford to hold onto their stuff and want to list at high prices then that's fine with me. Just keep relisting them without anyone paying attention. Like I said, for the market to return for cards, eventually the demand has to return and keeping prices the same does not induce a higher demand. ECON 101. >>

    There is a LOT wrong with Ebay I will admit, but I cannot believe for one moment that the increased use of BIN sales on Ebay has effected the downturn of purchasing interest of cards in general or those specifically related to Ebay! The only point IMO you have made in your argument that holds any bearing of truth is the fact that there is not as much disposable cash available to collectors as a result of the recession we are in. THAT is the culprit of why card values are declining and people are not buying as much! I do not believe Ebay stores or the increased use of BIN items (reasonably price or otherwise) can take that kind of credit for a slumping hobby as a whole! If you want to take it to ECON 101, then you should know that items such as collectibles tend to decrease in value as people cannot afford them and those who can are not willing to pay over inflated prices. This is not the first time this has happened to the hobby. If you were around in the early 80's collecting the SAME effects happened then when the economy slipped into a recession. It is simply a natural occurrence when people don't have the extra money to spend on cards but instead have to worry about their mortgage, groceries and utilities among other things. Can't put that on Ebay's sellers or buyers! Just the way I see it!
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