Football rules protecting QB's are slowly destroying the greatest sport
dirtmonkey
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The hit against Roethlisberger was obviously not a penalty. The guy didn't do anything wrong. But because some of these guys get their vaginas wrinkled if a defensive player breathes on them, rules are made to protect them from nearly any and all contact. Just get it over with. Put the red jersey on them and a couple flags around their waste. It's nearly there anyways.
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<< <i>I agree with SteveK, although sometimes its ridiculous when a D Player gets flagged for a little push ect.. but you cant allow a field day on these QB's allowing vicious cheap shots after the ball is thrown, there is too much at stake for a third string nobody to come in and take out the opposing QB which WOULD happen if these strict rules were not in play. >>
Exactly right which was happening too much with the starting quarterbacks going down before the stricter rules went into effect. Even with the new rules, playing quarterback in my opinion is still the toughest position to play in all of team sports.
I agree with how the refs are doing it.
<< <i>I'm not saying don't protect them a little, but todays play was an example of a regular attempt to tackle the QB that resulted in a penalty in a key situation. That was no penalty. If you can't even try to wrap up the QB's legs, after being blocked into him by his own player, by using your arms then you might as well put them in a bubble. Qb's may be in a vulnerable position, but I think WR's put themselves in a worse situation all the time going acrossed the middle and they don't get near the protection. Again though, I'm talking about normal attempts to takle a QB. If you take those options away from a defender, then put the red jersey on a QB. >>
And Im ok with the majority of what your saying except the "If you can't even try to wrap up the QB's legs, after being blocked into him by his own player, by using your arms then you might as well put them in a bubble." This is excactly how Brady got hurt last year by that scumbag KC player who TRIED to "wrap" his arms around his legs- there is no need for it and any player who does this is playing backyard football if you ask me.
If a shot is not blatantly late, or cheap, dont make the call. A call should only be made if there is a blatant cheap shot.
if they get hurt, someone will come in and take their place. it's a physical game.
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<< <i>And Im ok with the majority of what your saying except the "If you can't even try to wrap up the QB's legs, after being blocked into him by his own player, by using your arms then you might as well put them in a bubble." This is excactly how Brady got hurt last year by that scumbag KC player who TRIED to "wrap" his arms around his legs- there is no need for it and any player who does this is playing backyard football if you ask me. >>
Did you not see the play I'm talking about? Just wondering... It wasn't head-on like the Brady play was. Personally, I don't think it matters all that much. If he's holding the ball, I don't care how he really gets hit if it's within the rules. Especially not late, to the head or with the helmet. But now you cannot tackle a QB below the waist or above the chest. Excellent. He now has a strike zone like baseball. Again, I don't mind some of the rules but yesterday was a prime example IMO of whay the league has gone too far. In an effort to do everything to protect their QB's, they will call ANYTHING if it looks suspect. Poor Ben gets up and limps a little, so they toss a flag. Blah!!!
And yes yawie, I saw the 60 Minutes clip on the NFL. Actually read about the study not that long ago.
<< <i>there was a hit yesterday on Trent Edwards called roughing passer that was also laughable. The linemans momentum caused him to put Edwards on his back and they called roughing...it wasn't like Turkey JOnes spiking Bradshaw or anything....tough call in a boring game. >>
You brought back a memory that I had long forgotten.
That spike on Bradshaw was classic!!
Back then I was a Staubach fan.
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<< <i>You brought back a memory that I had long forgotten.
That spike on Bradshaw was classic!!
Back then I was a Staubach fan. >>
How about Charles Martin on Jim McMahon?
death sports, the NFL is not Rollerball.
If "kill the QB" was the watchword, every game would be over in Q1.
<< <i>While many of the players would be comfortable in - and better suited to -
death sports, the NFL is not Rollerball.
If "kill the QB" was the watchword, every game would be over in Q1. >>
Again, I'm okay if the NFL doesn't want players to actually be able to hit the QB anymore. Put a little red vest on the guy so all the players know he cannot be touched. Don't say "you can't do these three things" (or however many), and then penalize a team for something completely different because the refs interpreted it as "close enough". When protecting the QB at such great lengths actually changes the face of the game, it's bad for the sport. I've seen guys get busted for hitting a QB in a slide, yet the QB started his slide so late that the defender had no opportunity to let off. Yet to parallel that, I've seen guys let off from blasting a QB on the sidelines, only to see the QB take advantage of the situation and cut upfield for 2 more yards and the first down. That's also total BS, but they've got defenders scared to hit a QB near the sidelines too as he's supposed to be giving himself up or whatever their (the NFL) argument has been in some of those situations where a flag has been thrown. Again, protect the guy if you like. Put a red vest and flags on him and he's safe.
For proof of that watch the hit Ray Lewis put on Chad Johnson, err Ocho-Cinco this past Sunday. It made me hurt.
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The rules are a disgrace to defensive players, pretty soon the RBs are going to have some rule protecting them too and scores will be in the 40s for each time - that's what the NFL wants - what a joke
<< <i>but I think WR's put themselves in a worse situation all the time going acrossed the middle
For proof of that watch the hit Ray Lewis put on Chad Johnson, err Ocho-Cinco this past Sunday. It made me hurt.
Ray Lewis vs Chad! OCHO CINCO! >>
Ouch!!! I also remember watching a Vikes game this year where a defender got called for leading/hitting with his helmet. Yet Peterson does this as a RB all the time, including multiple times in the game. I'm not saying he's the only one, because that's obviously not the case. Defenders are not allowed to do this, yet I see offensive players get away with it all the time.
The worst part of this is that Tom asks for the flag then celebrates it.
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<< <i>"Take off the skirt, Tom"
The worst part of this is that Tom asks for the flag then celebrates it. >>
my 2 cents: The magic word is intent. Did the player intentionally go for a cheap shot? We have seen plays where a defensive player raises his arm in an attempt to block a pass and when his arms come down they BRUSH the qbs helmet or he gets pushed into the qbs legs and get called for a penalty . Everything in moderation folks...too much zeal in this effort to protect the qb is ruining the game.
Most adults can reasonably differentiate between a clean play and a cheap shot.......
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