Can anyone help? What are these strip cards? Does anyone know? Thanks!

rbdjr1

I'm trying to get a handle on just what these strip cards are. Does anyone have a clue if these these American Indian Chiefs strip cards have a date (maybe like these? ... 1926 W512, or ... 1928 W565, or ... 1928 W518 or something?)

There's 24 different cards, eight cards to each strip.

Pleeeeeeze help me. Thanks in advance for any info you may have.

What I have discovered, they may be called R184 Type 2 Indian Chiefs.

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rbdjr1

Ok, I think they are called R184 Type 2 Indian Chiefs?


Still not sure of what year they are? (I've seen them sold as 1930's and I've also seen them as 1940's???)


They are not rare, as there must have been a "find" as they do come up for sale often.


I think R184 Type 1 is scarce. They have a cartoon theme. You never see them in high end condition, and never in quanity, like the Type 2 variety.


Anyone help me "zero-in" on a correct date of these cards?

rd







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thedutymon

Good Day,
An interesting point is made by one of those guy's at SGC. It would be almost impossible for the Quantity of those that have turned up over the last 10-15 years to come from one "Find" or it would have had to have been a Stacked Full Warehouse. I think these in my "Opinion" were conterfieted using retro methods just like the High Number Dick Tracy cards were back in the 80's. So many were made and the Re-Prints are made so close to original specs that it is almost a moot point. They are all pretty much worthless!

Neil

rbdjr1

<< <i>Good Day,
An interesting point is made by one of those guy's at SGC. It would be almost impossible for the Quantity of those that have turned up over the last 10-15 years to come from one "Find" or it would have had to have been a Stacked Full Warehouse. I think these in my "Opinion" were counterfeited using retro methods just like the High Number Dick Tracy cards were back in the 80's. So many were made and the Re-Prints are made so close to original specs that it is almost a moot point. They are all pretty much worthless!
Neil >>


Good morning Neil!
I think these "volumes" of Indian Chiefs strip cards are NOT reproductions as many of us believe, but were simply unused and untouched inventory.

Why? Because "back in the day" penny arcades all over the country used strip cards as "give-a-ways" and strip cards like these were used by the thousands for years as arcade prizes.

I see no reason at all why these cards would have been reprinted in quantity, as was the Dick Tracy cards you mentioned. If you examine these strips, they really do look "all original". I see little monetary reason to reproduce these cards at such a high print/reproduction level, that they could be sooooooooo such counterfiets, for what reason (i.e., not for the big $$$$ like Hi # Dick Tracy cards)?

My spin is that for some reason, the strip card maker did not release shipments of these cards to the penny arcades, and discarded them (already boxed). Someone kept these boxes of untouched strip cards and were later discovered.

They may not be worth that much, but they are pretty cool looking. And I do think they are original.

Neil, PM me and I'll ship you a complete 24-card set of these cool looking Indian Chiefs R184 Type 2. And you LMK, if you think they are re-pros or as I believe, "all original" mint strip cards?

You may not get to much Wampum for them, but you will dig these 24 Indian Chiefs just the same!

rd

P.S. I think the reason folks cannot "zero-in" on a correct date for these strip cards, is because these arcade cards may not have been released, and that kept the "date of issue" murky and unknown" to the public? You think?







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Hello to All ,

I'm with Neil on this one . I'd like to be proved wrong .

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thedutymon

Robert,
OK I'll take you up on your offer. I have had a few sets of these over time and bught and sold some. But it's been awhile and another close loosie never hurts. I'll Pm my address.
Let me put it another way as to why I think these are conterfiets. And I will use the High Number Dick Tracy anology as I was suckered in on the Dick Tracy about 10 years ago. Whoever was Printing the conterfiets back in the early to mid 90's was at least carefull for the first few years that they did it. When I first saw them on E-bay about 12 years ago the were were indeed very rare, and a few sold for Top Top dollar for a few years, so more were printed and the next lot of 25-100 sets of the High numbers sold for Hi Dollar. A Lull in the Sales, and then the third wave comes and Hundreds of Sets turn-up, and some sell OK, some not so good, and some Tank!
Then whoever made them decides he has takin' the run for all it's worth and Dumps Quantity's of Sets for next to nothing. And then except for a few who got stuck with Hi Dollar Lots trying to Re-Sell them....NO More!

And I have sort of watched the Indian Strip cards for about the last 7-9 years and it is almost the exact same story. And if you think it would be hard to Re-Print these and make them appear original. I have a buddy who runs the Printing Plant for the local Paper conglomerate. He and his wife were over for drinks last year and though I didn't specifically ask him about these, I did ask in General about some other Non Sports stuff I have concerns of being counterfieted. He doesn't collect cards but has been in Printing for 30 years. He told me of the hundreds of different stuff I showed him, that there was Nothing that he didn't feel given the time and sourcing some Paper stocks that he could't reproduce so well you would never be able to tell it from the original!!!

Period!!!
Neil

egbeachley

The Dick Tracy cards, when compared side-by-side with an original, are completely identical. The cardboard, the colors, the ink, everything. they are so completely identical that the only explanation is that they are original, not reprints. If they were perfect reprints surely other sets would have been produced by now.

the reason they came out slowly at first is that whoever "found" the cards knew better than to flood the market. He did the same thing you or I would do, sell them at the high prioce for as long as possible. Then when the price comes down, sell them all as fast as possible.

So if you have the Dick Tracy high numbers, you have originals. The low numbers are now considered scarcer.

Same thing happened with the 1972 Sunoco football stamps.

Carew29

Wow...rbd vs. neil.....i respect both...now i'm really

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Neil , Whats your point of view now you have the ' strips ' in hand ?

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rbdjr1

<< <i> Neil , What's your point of view now you have the ' strips ' in hand ? Mark >>


Mark,

I have the strip cards buried in a storage room. I felt bad, so I sent Neil something else, just for fun! I open my 'big tr@p' too soon, as I will eventually find and pull out those strip cards and send a set to Neil.

In the mean time, the suspense is deafening!


rd

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Hello to All ,

Just picked up a set of these 'strips ' , thought i'd take a close look at them .
I'll give them a good 'smelling ' when they arrive .


All the best to allthe Best .

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thedutymon

Mark,
As I am sure you will, let us know what you are thinking with them in hand.
Thanks and Cheers
Neil

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I'd say they are worth about $4 less than what i paid for them .

Smell & look new .

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