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too much stain for PSA 7 nq?

I recently picked up this 1955 Bowman Aaron PSA 7 nq for my aaron collection. The auction scan was of the front only. I received the card today, and I noticed this wax stain on the back. I am thinking of returning it. The front of the card is fine for a PSA 7, but the wax stain on the back bothers me a little. do you think this is too much stain for a PSA 7 nq? Do you think the stain devalues the card - if it is sold in the future? BTW, I paid more than vcp avg for this card.

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  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    I don't think so.. and it is on the reverse.. doesn't take away from the beauty of the card.. that is a good looking card..
  • That's probably why it got a "7"

    nice card. wish I had it.

    cheers
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    NM 7: Near Mint.

    A PSA NM 7 is a card with just a slight surface wear visible upon close inspection. There may be slight fraying on some corners. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. A

    minor printing blemish is acceptable. Slight wax staining is acceptable on the back of the card only. Most of the original gloss is retained. Centering must be approximately

    70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.


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    I guess the word "slight" is slightly subjective.

    The card might seem a tiny bit generously graded, but certainly not grossly so.

    Based on the stain, I prolly would want to buy it cheap.

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  • But see, isn't this exactly the reason that sellers (and collectors) use 3rd-party grading?

    The eBay seller for sure should have had a scan of the back of the card on the listing, that was the seller's (minor) mistake. The seller could have mentioned the wax stain, but depending on the seller's expertise, they may not know what to look for. That's what the 3rd-party grading is for.

    Having said that, I don't think it's okay to return a PSA 7 Hank Aaron card because it's not the "right" PSA 7.

    The PSA grading should be what's important in the auction, unless there is a crack in the holder or the holder is compromised or faked for some reason.

    I definitely see why you might be less than happy with the PSA grading cpettimd, but I don't think it warrants a return. If the card was PSA 7 ST, would you have bought it for a lower price?

    If you sent it in for a review, you might end up with the qualifier, huh? Maybe you could try to turn it around and sell it, just be rid of it and look for another copy. It does look like a very nice card though!!! image

    It's probably always best to ask for scans of the front and back unless it's a crazy good deal, or something that's just not very valuable in the first place, like the boxes of 1990 Fleer Football cards I bought a while back!

    Some sellers just don't know what to look for, and may be selling items on consignment or liquidation.
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  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This 59 Mantle got an ST qualifier with less, and I sent it in for review and had no change - despite the clearly stated grading guidelines for a 7 that include minor staining on the reverse.

    That said, many 7's have the wax staining -- and it is clearly within guidelines. When buying a 7, one should expect any/all of the deficiencies noted within the standard. I would not return it, nor would I expect to refund under the circumstances - it is the same as a little corner wear, edge wear, or centering deficiency.

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  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I have seen many worse on earlier bowmans that are in 7's and even 8 holders at times. THe card looks great from the front and would be a keeper to me , the staining is minimal but it is your card and you need to be comfortable with it
  • 1960toppsguy1960toppsguy Posts: 1,127 ✭✭
    Mantle looks like water not wax or gum in my opinion although if it were a 1959 common I guarantee you it would pass. That AARON is sweeett.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gorgeous card, that little "stain" on the back takes nothing away from that card IMO- I would be very happy with it.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Yea..I am not quite sure under what grounds you could return it anyway. You paid for a PSA 7...you got a PSA 7.....as long as the serial numbers match. I thought that was the whole reason behind TPG grading......your statement and if you follow through with a SNAD says that you are better than PSA at card grading.....and you are probably not on that list EBay has of approved 3rd party graders (although PayPal, in some warped way, will probably side with you if you do a SNAD claim......that is how off-kilter Ebay is right now).......but I would not return that card if I was a buyer, nor would I expect to refund if I was the seller.....if the SNAD claim was started, I would block you, and probably quit selling on EBay......
  • nothing wrong with that card. very common wax staining on Bowmans, doesnt detract from the card at all.
  • cpettimdcpettimd Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for your opinions. I am going to keep this for my Aaron pc, and enjoy it.

    I believe that if you communicate (well and politely) with buyers and sellers on Ebay, you can resolve minor issues most of the time. I rarely return anything ( maybe once or twice over many years) I did return a 1962 aaron A/S PSA 8 recently. The seller had a "yes" return policy on his cards. The auction scan was way oversaturated, and did not show obvious printing defect on the card front which detracted from the presentation. The seller gave me a prompt no problem refund after I returned the card at my expense. Those uploaded scans on Ebay, that most people use are terrible, the self hosted ones are much bigger and better- imo.
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I still don't understand why/how you can return a PSA graded card! I can just picture someone saying "This card isn't really an 8 - this should be a 6!" and wanting to return a card!! Basically, you are saying that you know more about card grading than PSA!

    Edited to add - I wish some people would return my undergraded 2's - 3's......how come everyone wants to return what they perceive as overgraded cards, yet noone wants to return an undergraded card? Go fish...
  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    There's nothing wrong with the stain on the Aaron for a grade of 7 and it probably wouldn't keep it from grading an 8 if everything else was okay.
  • cpettimdcpettimd Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭

    I never "want" to return a PSA graded card. I understand the inconvienience it is to sellers. I do not claim to be an expert in card grading. I am a supposed expert in my profession. The card that I did return was a psa 8, and I was fine with that, not disputing the grade. These cards are for my pc, and I just did not like the presentation of this particular card- with the PD. The auction scan did not demonstrate this feature. The seller had a clearly stated "yes" return policy. I asked politely if I could return it. The seller recouped his/ her FVF. If the seller had said no, I would have kept the card.
    Collecting Clemente master (#6) and basic PSA registry sets, Hank Aaron master and basic sets, Mantle oddball issues, 1970's mega decade HOFs, 1967 Topps pin ups, and high grade Topps Clemente and Aaron. Numerous transactions with over 100 board members.
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