Joe O. -- Class Guy!
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I just sent email to Joe O. about my displeasure with results of my crossover submission. He got back to me within a couple of hours and said I could send back to him to his attention for a review. Has anyone else on the boards had a card of theirs reviewed by him and what were the results? Regardless, I think he is a standup guy to take time for a little guy like me. Please let me know if you have had any experiences with his reviews. Thanks
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not saying that will happen in your case but I have nothing but good things to say about the guy
Any assumption/expectation that a JO-reviewed grade will be changed
sorta misses the point/object of the service he volunteers.
The important element is that he is always willing to take a looksee.
Bob
email bcmiller7@comcast.net
<< <i>Class guy and class organization.
Bob >>
Ditto that.
Joey O has always been available by phone or email for me. That makes this whole grading thing more approachable, puts a human face to it.... albeit a very highly manicured human face
<< <i>.but I am reding a ton of stories of 5's becoming 8's... 9's coming back trimmed etc.. the whole gamut of grading changes.... How can this be?? so many errors and re-subs... these graders go by a standards of centering/surface etc and how can so many subs be so off from one to another???? >>
The reason is because you have a human grading the card. If you want to complain now, wait until PSA goes to computerized grading. All the need to do is unpack it and send in through the process. Scan, and bam.
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If about 100,000 cards a month are being graded, I can
suggest that the "error" rate is pretty low.
ANY mistake is bad - especially if it happens to you - but
I have ZERO clue as to how to totally eliminate mistakes
made by subjective humans.
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The 1969 computing power that landed guys on the moon
is likely dwarfed by the machine I am typing this post on.
I suspect/hope the time is pretty close when a viable computer
grading scheme will eliminate most mistakes.
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Personally, I am much more concerned about over-grading
than I am about under-grading.
I often lament that most of my 10s live in slabs that say "5."
But, I also wonder how many 5s slip by and live in 10-slabs.
The right computer scheme would catch EVERY tiny defect,
and eliminate that concern.
<< <i>I am going to ask a question and state my point of view.....please don't jump on me, I am sensitive... I originally started having my collection of vintage graded mostly for the protection and nice viewing of my cards...A bit different than for others reasons and that is all great...but as storm pointed out before, these companies services are pretty much by guidelines..am i correct??? and of course a bit subjective...but I am reding a ton of stories of 5's becoming 8's... 9's coming back trimmed etc.. the whole gamut of grading changes.... How can this be?? so many errors and re-subs... these graders go by a standards of centering/surface etc and how can so many subs be so off from one to another???? Just wondering, and i have no motive for this post other than curiosity and to see if others agree/disagree with this.. discuss amongst yourselves or here... I thank you in advance for not yelling at me or calling me names......I am sensitive.... take care and enjoy the hobby.. ivan >>
There's a human element to card grading AND authentication. Grading is not an exact science and, while based upon established standards that some would expect to be 100% consistent, is still somewhat subjective. I, with a trained eye and having examined more cards than I care to count, still find that when I examine the same card multiple times, I will see it differently on different days.
Contrary to popular belief, there really is no such thing as a perfect or pristine card. There is something wrong with EVERY card. A minute flaw or characteristic that could easily be used to downgraded even the most stellar card to at least a MINT grade. Hence, the matter becomes what is market acceptable and what is within a series of thresholds or established limits. The most common factors are centering and wear. The minute differences and combination of these, and other traits can result in a card ranging from one technical grade to the next based upon how the grader identifies and applies them to the card. This series of identification and application can vary even within the same grader and can impact the overall grade assignment for a specific card while being identified and applied differently at another time resulting in a different, yet still accurate grade assignment.
With regard to alterations, it oft times becomes a matter of opinion rather than tell tale evidence, but most graders would be wise to err on the side of caution and be discretionary with the assignment of an EOT or other alteration designation. Hence the inconsistency with regard to an item being graded then subsequently rejected or vice versa. In other cases, it is quite obvious and virtually anyone with a sound knowledge would identify the alteration (except for the slabbing factories that put ANYTHING in a holder).
Sorry Ivan if I'm not able to specifically answer your questions, but to do so would be more long winded and technical and I'm not sure that anyone else would really care to read it or that I'm prepared to write that much. Anyway, hopefully this little synopsis will add some insight with regard to the premise of your question.
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I agree with much of what MOO said.
BUT, using the published guidelines within stamps/coins/cards/currency,
I believe there are such things as "GEM" examples; "perfect" items.
Expanding the ruinous concept of "market grading" beyond the published
guidelines is a recipe for disaster. It will always lead to junk items with high
grades.
Resellers will invariably endorse "market grading." As long as they are not
holding the hot-spud when the "truth" is revealed, they have no stake in
tough grading-standards; only in high-number grades.
Retail collectors/investors that hold graded items longterm are the first
victims of "market grading" run amuck. But, the hobbies themselves will
be the greater victims when buyers flee and markets collapse.
The reason is because you have a human grading the card. If you want to complain now, wait until PSA goes to computerized grading. All the need to do is unpack it and send in through the process. Scan, and bam. >>
Is that really going to happen? My friend and I have been saying that for a while now. It will surely take the subjectiveness away from grading.
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