Let's play a game of "Real or Fake?"

sportscardtheory · September 24, 2009 4:08PM

Just wondering what everyone thinks.

EagleEyeKid · September 24, 2009 4:22PM

Koufax is definitely fake flip.
Not sure about the Mantles....still trying to decide.

diamondman · September 24, 2009 4:28PM

The mantle EX 5 is fake and the koufax is fake.

sportscardtheory · September 24, 2009 4:31PM

Well, someone is trying to sell these to me "off eBay". If they are indeed fake, I will give PSA the e-mail address and eBay account they came from if they want to do something about it.

sportscardtheory · September 24, 2009 4:33PM

Wow, I just noticed this. Look at the printing mistake under the word "pitching" on the back of the Koufax.

sportscardtheory · September 24, 2009 4:35PM

What can I do to catch this guy and actually get the law involved?

storm888 · September 24, 2009 4:42PM

Looks like some of the Craig's List and Hernandez Gang.

Known spots:

San Fran area

San Diego area

North Carolina

elsnorto · September 24, 2009 5:44PM

I'm not going to lie to you... I was hoping to see some silicone.

But, now that I am here... Koufax definitely not kosher. Hard to say with the Mantle's with them being a photo instead of scan.

Snorto~

BigRedMachine · September 24, 2009 9:35PM

<< I'm not going to lie to you... I was hoping to see some silicone. >>

IJustLoveCards · September 24, 2009 10:01PM

They are all fake...

I am not posting what gives them away as I don't want scammers who may lurk here use my eye to correct obvious flaws, but I posted a guide on how to spot fakes in mantles..

Solid right in the realm of the fake mantle handbook..

The Koufax is so obvious a novice can see that one..

onebamafan · September 24, 2009 11:32PM

Very scary stuff..........................very scary.

yankeeno7 · September 24, 2009 11:42PM

Easy to see those are all fake. The color and registration of the cards arent even close.

sportscardtheory · September 24, 2009 11:50PM

I think it's time for PSA to use new flips and slabs. This is reaching territory where it's starting to seem like they don't care... and that can't be good for business.

vladguerrero · September 25, 2009 1:48AM

<< Very scary stuff..........................very scary. >>

+1

Maybe the police can hunt the guy down from his wallpaper boarder!

ElToroLoco · September 25, 2009 11:32AM

Koufax was obvious, I'd have to refer to the guides for the Mantles. I though the PSA 5 looked like fake aging.

diamondman · September 25, 2009 11:46AM

A little off topic but doesn't this PSA 4 mantle look undergraded or are my eyes just that bad or some touch up been done to the photo.

Linky

jswieton · September 25, 2009 11:49AM

This is really scary. Are these holders fake too or just the card? I wonder how many of these things are out in the market? I think it is time psa upgrades the flip and holder. I am really surprised they haven’t yet since they could charge a reholdering fee.

lawnmowerman · September 25, 2009 11:58AM

What a douche. He used the graded card bags in an attempt to conceal the frosting on the slabs.

SDSportsFan · September 25, 2009 12:04PM

Anyone who thinks those slabs/flips are real, has never really noticed a real PSA flip. PSA flips have four lines of text. Each of the flips in this thread only have three lines of text. Ergo.....they are fake.

That doesn't even touch on the absolute complete fakeness of the three cards (which is easy to see).

Steve

yankeeno7 · September 25, 2009 12:10PM

I just hope that the OP is not really the owner of these cards wondering if they will pass the real vs fake test. Forgive me for being suspicious but there are a lot of scammers that try to come through here. It's always odd when a NUBE comes here with such major cards in slabs. If you're legit, dont get scammed by these cards.

otwcards · September 25, 2009 12:10PM

Folks asking for the flips to be changed or "upgraded" need to give a moment's pause.

A change in the flip would have an adverse impact on cards already graded and in holders and collections. Changing the flip won't stop the scamsters. It won't change anything as there is a standard flip that can be reverted to. Regardless of the changes one might think of, there are still millions of cards in old holders with old flips and they will still be in old holders and old flips if a change were effected. All that a change would do is create confusion in the hobby and make many skeptical altogether.

What difference would it make if PSA produced a new flip? If they modified the holder? Do you think that examples such as these would be stopped? They would just use the standard holder and dummy up an old style flip and claim the card was graded before the change. It's a nice idea in principle, but it would do nothing in actual practice.

otwcards · September 25, 2009 12:18PM

<< Anyone who thinks those slabs/flips are real, has never really noticed a real PSA flip. PSA flips have four lines of text. Each of the flips in this thread only have three lines of text. >>

While true of most of the later generation flips, it is not uncommon to find "modern" flips with 3 lines of text and the descriptor line being blank (the third line in the flip's text progression:

1. Year/Manufacturer - Card Number
2. Player Name - Grade Alpha and/or Alpha Numeric (Older Flips)
3. Description - Grade Numeric (Half Grade Generation)
4. Bar Code - Certification Number

Also, if I recall some of the earliest flips, they were 3 text lines but also an easily identifiable font.

hammered · September 25, 2009 12:22PM

<< Folks asking for the flips to be changed or "upgraded" need to give a moment's pause.

A change in the flip would have an adverse impact on cards already graded and in holders and collections. Changing the flip won't stop the scamsters. It won't change anything as there is a standard flip that can be reverted to. Regardless of the changes one might think of, there are still millions of cards in old holders with old flips and they will still be in old holders and old flips if a change were effected. All that a change would do is create confusion in the hobby and make many skeptical altogether.

What difference would it make if PSA produced a new flip? If they modified the holder? Do you think that examples such as these would be stopped? They would just use the standard holder and dummy up an old style flip and claim the card was graded before the change. It's a nice idea in principle, but it would do nothing in actual practice. >>

Good point

SDSportsFan · September 25, 2009 12:37PM

<< 

<< Anyone who thinks those slabs/flips are real, has never really noticed a real PSA flip. PSA flips have four lines of text. Each of the flips in this thread only have three lines of text. >>

While true of most of the later generation flips, it is not uncommon to find "modern" flips with 3 lines of text and the descriptor line being blank (the third line in the flip's text progression:

1. Year/Manufacturer - Card Number
2. Player Name - Grade Alpha and/or Alpha Numeric (Older Flips)
3. Description - Grade Numeric (Half Grade Generation)
4. Bar Code - Certification Number

Also, if I recall some of the earliest flips, they were 3 text lines but also an easily identifiable font. >>

Correct, but there was a space there for the text, if it had been necessary:

Text Line 1
Text Line 2

Text Line 4

On the flips in this thread, there is no room for that line. All three lines of text are evenly spaced. That gives them away as fakes.

Steve

jswieton · September 25, 2009 1:15PM

<< Folks asking for the flips to be changed or "upgraded" need to give a moment's pause.

A change in the flip would have an adverse impact on cards already graded and in holders and collections. Changing the flip won't stop the scamsters. It won't change anything as there is a standard flip that can be reverted to. Regardless of the changes one might think of, there are still millions of cards in old holders with old flips and they will still be in old holders and old flips if a change were effected. All that a change would do is create confusion in the hobby and make many skeptical altogether.

What difference would it make if PSA produced a new flip? If they modified the holder? Do you think that examples such as these would be stopped? They would just use the standard holder and dummy up an old style flip and claim the card was graded before the change. It's a nice idea in principle, but it would do nothing in actual practice. >>

This is very true, I was wrong. I would just like them to come out with a sturdier holder that is more difficult to open then the current ones.

vladguerrero · September 25, 2009 1:25PM

vladguerrero · September 25, 2009 1:26PM

<< 

This is very true, I was wrong. I would just like them to come out with a sturdier holder that is more difficult to open then the current ones. >>

+1 >>

Let's play a game of &quot;Real or Fake?&quot;

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Let's play a game of "Real or Fake?"