I wish there were women in Numismatics. They are good customers. I absolutely hate it however when a woman picks out a nice coin or banknote, is going to buy it, and the guy she is with says something that kills the deal usually bc its not what he collects, is interested in, etc. I wish they would leave those guys at home.
<< <i>As a female collector/dealer what are you doing different to try to attract women to the hobby? >>
Pennie, I apologize for my prior remarks to you and the others, and for letting some of the posts here get to me. I was so enjoying reading this thread until I got to yours and a couple others that I couldn't resist responding - unfortunately, I did so inappropriately. So please forgive me.
Regarding what I am doing to attract women to this industry, if you ask any of my friends, both male and female (including my husband), they will tell you I am always talking about my shows, my coins, my coin friends, and showing them any new coins I've acquired, hoping they might too show an interest. But what I have discovered, and it's not necessarily a male/female thing, is that you either have an interest in collecting in general, or you don't And if you are interested in collecting things, those are the people that can more easily become interested in collecting coins. Personally, I was not raised by someone who collected coins or knew anything about coins as a young girl. It was after I was married, had kids and a career that I got introduced to coins, through an inheritance (so I don't agree with some of the comments that women don't have time to get interested in coins - I did with a husband, kids and a career). But I had to seek out coin people to help me learn, and I am so glad to say that my mentor, Alan Kreuzer, had no problem taking me under his wing and teaching me most everything I know about copper and being a coin dealer. I have seen him do the same for other people, and I don't think it mattered to him at all whether we are male or female.
I also encourage kids of both sexes to attend coin shows, and I try to participate in kids' treasure hunts whenever I set up at a show that has them, especially the ANA's. When I see young kids and especially girls stop by my table, I engage them in coin talk and tell them how thrilled I am that they are pursuing this wonderful hobby. I know that kids, both male and female, are this industry's future and it's nice to see more and more girls participate. If I were to guess, I would say that there are probably 60/40 boys to girls that I now see at coin shows. Though it's not 50/50, at least this high percentage of girls is very encouraging.
The coin has to smell pretty...you know feminine...if it smells nice, women will buy every time. Of course the question is how do you get coins to smell "pretty"? Grab some of your wife's perfume and spray it on the coin when the buyer walks in...that's it (sounds like a comedy). Of course, bling also helps...if it's shiny and pretty, they'll also nibble...means you'll have to dip it a couple of times to get it all shiny.
<< <i>The coin has to smell pretty...you know feminine...if it smells nice, women will buy every time. Of course the question is how do you get coins to smell "pretty"? Grab some of your wife's perfume and spray it on the coin when the buyer walks in...that's it (sounds like a comedy). Of course, bling also helps...if it's shiny and pretty, they'll also nibble...means you'll have to dip it a couple of times to get it all shiny. >>
I believe the degree of misogyny, objectification and stereotyping about women on this thread (and elsewhere in the forum) do a good job of answering the question in the thread's title without much further analysis.
I just reread this thread and the replies posted since I intially posted.
A very interesting topic, with lots of insightful replies, including some that make one cringe.
Not too long ago my profession [law] was one which was largely white and male.
Not so anymore. Women and non white males are an ever increasing segment of total lawyers. Just like white lawyers, the women and non white males run the gamot from brilliant and wildly successful to idiots [who you wonder how they ever made it through law school and passed the bar]. Once you get to be around any given lawyer, you can tell if they are sharp as a tack or a dullard.
Call me old fashioned, but when I deal with a woman lawyer, I find myself making a concerted effort to be on my best behavior, out of respect. In genereal, women [whether they know it or not and whether they deserve it or not] have a civilizing influence on men. Kudos for that, since men hanging out among other men can be downright crude, rude and disgusting.
Of course, my wife tells me that women, amongst themselves, can be just as crude, rude and disgusting. Glad I have not been privy to any such interaction among women, since it would puncture my preconception that women generally are much more refined and civilized than men.
Frankly, be they dealers or collectors, women [anyone really, as long as they do not smell like rotten garbage] in the hobby are great, since they also love the same hobby I love. For example, Charmy is very knowledgeable and has some great toned copper. I appreciate being able to meet her at recent Bay Area shows, since I picked up some nice coins from her [and drooled over some of the toned copper she has in her personal collection].
<< <i>Well, you knew you'd be hearing from at least one of us! Wow, gentlemen, some of your replies here say it all - you don't seem to make the atmosphere very conducive to women as equals in this business, do you? I can tell you it was hard for me, just because I am a woman, to gain the respect of my fellow coin dealers. Originally, I was looked at as an oddity. And believe me, it has nothing to do with women spending vs. men saving. Women have always been interested in collecting, just as much as men, but not so much of coins. When I got introduced to coins, I was already a collector of many types of things, so it was an easy and enjoyable transition for me to become interested in collecting coins. And I agree with Coinosaurus that I think the next generation will see far more females in this industry, especially if more men learn to respect and appreciate the women who are already in this business! >>
Charmy---------well said. Women do collect things! My wife collects Svorski crystal and glass chickens. She as no interest in coins as I do not have interest in here glass "trinkets". It's a good thing. It gives us our "alone" time. One thing I've learned in my 47 years on earth is that women can do just as good a job as men in any profession. Actually, it's not a gender thing-----it's a matter of dedication, training and intelligence. I remember and auto parts store my shop dealt with years ago. They had two guys and a girl named Beth that took phone orders. I'd rather talk to Beth---why?----because she was much more competent.
This is an interesting thread to read. Of course I have my own opinions on this subject, but my viewpoints have been expressed by a medley of other members one way or another so I really wouldn't have much more to add to the discussion.
Based on my observations from attending almost 50 coin shows per year, it is a fact that this hobby/ business is still dominated by elderly White males who largely bear socially conservative sentiments. However it isn't to say that there aren't any brilliant female numismatic minds out there but they are greatly outnumbered. I've also noticed , though gradually, more participation in numismatics from men who aren't White (like myself), but just like the women they too are greatly outnumbered.
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ziggy put into words what i noticed early on in this thread. we need go no further than read some of the responses, that is if your stomach can take it. people here are truly disconnected with the rest of the world, and looks like the rest of humanity as well. stupidity will defeat reason every time.
<< <i>ziggy put into words what i noticed early on in this thread. we need go no further than read some of the responses, that is if your stomach can take it. people here are truly disconnected with the rest of the world, and looks like the rest of humanity as well. stupidity will defeat reason every time. >>
some of you people really need a sense of humor and quit looking at everything through oversensitive eyes. More men collect coins because it's a man thing. Do you have a better explanation? Most women will tell you there are certain woman hobbies and man hobbies. Occasionally the genders cross those lines. I have tried to get my wife interested in coins, but she's not interested. Even she has told me on more than one occasion that it's a man thing.
There are females in my family. This includes six sisters, 2 daughters, 6 sisters in law, and over 100 nieces and great nieces. The women in my family are into education, child care, law, medicine, banking, health & beauty, and entertainment....just to name a few things. Add mothering, grandmothering and homemaking, too. Coins are boring to them, regardless of what others here like to think. Men, in spite of our idiocy or ignorance, have very little to do with why women don't do things. From my limited experience with women, I've found that they do what they want and typically don't mind what we do, as long as it's what they say.
I have already been in trouble once in this thread although that was not my intent, i have had a few more shallow thoughts. Times are changing and the younger generation is a lot different than when i was young 30 years ago.
Time is the biggest problem for a lot of people
Why are there not a lot of women in coins? Just throwing out some ideas here
1. They do not like to haggle over price ( some men hate to also) 2. Precieved value? 3. Women like to do stuff in groups? Hard to find other women that would like to go to a coin show? 4. Dealers, coin sellers and others see nothing wrong with selling problem coins, crap to new coin collectors for as much a rip as they can get. Part of the tution process. I would not think most women would agree that is the right thing to do. 5. Money, can a family support 2 coin collectors doing there own thing?
My son knows a lot about coins BUT he has no desire to spend his money on them, or go to shows with me. He does stop by the Local B&M about once a month a will buy me a coin world, numis news or something. I have drug him there over the years and they are always nice to him so he does not mind going in there. I keep a lot of coin mags in the guest bathroom and it has amazed me from time to time that his friends have looked thru some of them. His friends will call if the get a "strange" looking coin in change. This is out of a group of 10 to 12 kids, mostly boys but a few girls. Most of them like to look at a few old coins, but none have expressed any desire to collect.
I do not care one way or the other if women collect coins or do not collect them. I do not feel like it is a man only hobby, it has just worked out that way so far. There are a lot of women interested in Nascar, i do not know if they are as interested in Formula one, or cart, irl or what ever it is no called. You would not think on the surface nascar would appeal to women, but i know a lot of women that know far more about nascar than men do. What did Nascar do to attract women? Nascar seemed to be a white male sport, event whatever you want to call it. Nascar wants other groups to be involved and over the last 15 years i have seen more and more people of other nationalities start showing up.
Has the ANA , pNG or others ever done a survey to see why women are not interested?
Does the hobby even need to change?
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<< <i>Well, you knew you'd be hearing from at least one of us! Wow, gentlemen, some of your replies here say it all - you don't seem to make the atmosphere very conducive to women as equals in this business, do you? I can tell you it was hard for me, just because I am a woman, to gain the respect of my fellow coin dealers. Originally, I was looked at as an oddity. And believe me, it has nothing to do with women spending vs. men saving. Women have always been interested in collecting, just as much as men, but not so much of coins. When I got introduced to coins, I was already a collector of many types of things, so it was an easy and enjoyable transition for me to become interested in collecting coins. And I agree with Coinosaurus that I think the next generation will see far more females in this industry, especially if more men learn to respect and appreciate the women who are already in this business!
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Don't assume all the posts by males here reflect an attitude. Men often say what they observe and it is in interpreted as a negative attitude. For example, one of the officers of WIN has on her resume that she collects Silver Art Bars and Rounds with a Christmas Theme--nothing else. Can you imaging a male numismatist with a resume like that? I certainly welcome an informed female numismatist like the ones in this thread but I might have trouble finding something to talk about with the owner of this resume. --Jerry
Interesting thread. Personally I see no reason to try and get anybody involved in anything. This includes religion too and I look at it the same way.It's OK to try and introduce some things to people but let them decide themselves and leave it at that...... this is my opinion.
Now, having said that and reading a few posts here I once again feel especially lucky. My Wife and I started collecting together over 25 years ago. We went to shops, shows, studied coins at home, and went to the safe box to play as well. Instead of her trying to talk me out of a coin, she would always say she thought we should buy it. Keep in mind we didn't have much extra cash at that time raising a family buying a house etc. But she would always smile and say.... "we'll be fine." Sometimes I went along with her, sometimes I didn't think we'd be fine and held off. So folks, every situation is different. I know I had the one of a kind for me and treasure that.
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<< <i>I have already been in trouble once in this thread although that was not my intent, i have had a few more shallow thoughts. Times are changing and the younger generation is a lot different than when i was young 30 years ago.
Time is the biggest problem for a lot of people
Why are there not a lot of women in coins? Just throwing out some ideas here
1. They do not like to haggle over price ( some men hate to also) 2. Precieved value? 3. Women like to do stuff in groups? Hard to find other women that would like to go to a coin show? 4. Dealers, coin sellers and others see nothing wrong with selling problem coins, crap to new coin collectors for as much a rip as they can get. Part of the tution process. I would not think most women would agree that is the right thing to do. 5. Money, can a family support 2 coin collectors doing there own thing?
My son knows a lot about coins BUT he has no desire to spend his money on them, or go to shows with me. He does stop by the Local B&M about once a month a will buy me a coin world, numis news or something. I have drug him there over the years and they are always nice to him so he does not mind going in there. I keep a lot of coin mags in the guest bathroom and it has amazed me from time to time that his friends have looked thru some of them. His friends will call if the get a "strange" looking coin in change. This is out of a group of 10 to 12 kids, mostly boys but a few girls. Most of them like to look at a few old coins, but none have expressed any desire to collect.
I do not care one way or the other if women collect coins or do not collect them. I do not feel like it is a man only hobby, it has just worked out that way so far. There are a lot of women interested in Nascar, i do not know if they are as interested in Formula one, or cart, irl or what ever it is no called. You would not think on the surface nascar would appeal to women, but i know a lot of women that know far more about nascar than men do. What did Nascar do to attract women? Nascar seemed to be a white male sport, event whatever you want to call it. Nascar wants other groups to be involved and over the last 15 years i have seen more and more people of other nationalities start showing up.
Has the ANA , pNG or others ever done a survey to see why women are not interested?
Does the hobby even need to change? >>
I appreciate your observations.
Perhaps a lot of the reason women aren't as actively involved is simple inertia. Women haven't been widely involved in the past so they aren't now. This does appear to be changing a little. There aren't really male and female collecting specialties though in some instances it's obvious that something will appeal to one sex or the other. It's not as though coins have to involve heavy lifting or lots of kerosene to clean up after- ward.
Perhaps some small part of it has been the perception that coins are dir- ty. Some hotels used to wash their coins so as not to soil the ladies white gloves. They usually used steel shot so this also contributes to the wear of many coins. Maybe slabbing will work to change the perception.
<< <i>For example, one of the officers of WIN has on her resume that she collects Silver Art Bars and Rounds with a Christmas Theme--nothing else. Can you imaging a male numismatist with a resume like that? I certainly welcome an informed female numismatist like the ones in this thread but I might have trouble finding something to talk about with the owner of this resume. --Jerry >>
I don't have a problem with that. People will collect trade tokens of one little state, or equally esoteric things. I'm more taken with how interesting they can make it look. Can you take a topic like Christmas art bars and ferret out all the little stories that make them compelling? Some people can. Also just because someone collects one thing doesn't mean they aren't extremely knowledgable in other areas.
To respond to the original question posted of why there are not more female numismatists, I believe awareness and exposure are a couple of reasons. If a coin store was located in a mall, how many curious shoppers would be introduced to numismatics. Numismatics is a world in itself just like knitting, quilting, mechanics, landscaping, painting, surfing, etc. I think that numismatics is just off the radar scope to many people. Once one becomes aware of it, then that door opens and, like anything else, one chooses to go through or pass on by.
<< <i>I have already been in trouble once in this thread although that was not my intent, i have had a few more shallow thoughts. Times are changing and the younger generation is a lot different than when i was young 30 years ago.
I do not care one way or the other if women collect coins or do not collect them. I do not feel like it is a man only hobby, it has just worked out that way so far. There are a lot of women interested in Nascar, i do not know if they are as interested in Formula one, or cart, irl or what ever it is no called. You would not think on the surface nascar would appeal to women, but i know a lot of women that know far more about nascar than men do. What did Nascar do to attract women? Nascar seemed to be a white male sport, event whatever you want to call it. Nascar wants other groups to be involved and over the last 15 years i have seen more and more people of other nationalities start showing up.
Does the hobby even need to change? >>
I am pretty sure that NASCAR is still mostly white men and a few of their sist....ummm wives.
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Here is the head. Only the tail is missing. And by golly, I don't really care how many people want to argue the point. It's so off topic, it makes no cents.
I am sure this has been said in many context but there is a societal stereotype that men who are aggressive are manly and women who are aggressive are B#$%^. In order to succeed in the business you have to be aggressive and strong and many women have been conditioned by society not to be like that. (I don't agree with this, it is just a statement of a cultural stereotype). There are two very strong women who I work with who have very long and strong careers in numismatics ahead of them. Roxana Pireh who is the head of our foreign department is a fantastic numismatist and is amazingly knowledgeable considering she started a few years back from square one. It is often amusing watching the faces of old school European dealers having this women (and young one at that) out negotiate them on a deal. The other is Shanna Berk Schmidt who is also a very strong classical numismatist who can play with and beat the big boys.
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<< <i>As a female collector/dealer what are you doing different to try to attract women to the hobby? >>
Pennie, I apologize for my prior remarks to you and the others, and for letting some of the posts here get to me. I was so enjoying reading this thread until I got to yours and a couple others that I couldn't resist responding - unfortunately, I did so inappropriately. So please forgive me.
Regarding what I am doing to attract women to this industry, if you ask any of my friends, both male and female (including my husband), they will tell you I am always talking about my shows, my coins, my coin friends, and showing them any new coins I've acquired, hoping they might too show an interest. But what I have discovered, and it's not necessarily a male/female thing, is that you either have an interest in collecting in general, or you don't And if you are interested in collecting things, those are the people that can more easily become interested in collecting coins. Personally, I was not raised by someone who collected coins or knew anything about coins as a young girl. It was after I was married, had kids and a career that I got introduced to coins, through an inheritance (so I don't agree with some of the comments that women don't have time to get interested in coins - I did with a husband, kids and a career). But I had to seek out coin people to help me learn, and I am so glad to say that my mentor, Alan Kreuzer, had no problem taking me under his wing and teaching me most everything I know about copper and being a coin dealer. I have seen him do the same for other people, and I don't think it mattered to him at all whether we are male or female.
I also encourage kids of both sexes to attend coin shows, and I try to participate in kids' treasure hunts whenever I set up at a show that has them, especially the ANA's. When I see young kids and especially girls stop by my table, I engage them in coin talk and tell them how thrilled I am that they are pursuing this wonderful hobby. I know that kids, both male and female, are this industry's future and it's nice to see more and more girls participate. If I were to guess, I would say that there are probably 60/40 boys to girls that I now see at coin shows. Though it's not 50/50, at least this high percentage of girls is very encouraging.
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<< <i>The coin has to smell pretty...you know feminine...if it smells nice, women will buy every time. Of course the question is how do you get coins to smell "pretty"? Grab some of your wife's perfume and spray it on the coin when the buyer walks in...that's it (sounds like a comedy). Of course, bling also helps...if it's shiny and pretty, they'll also nibble...means you'll have to dip it a couple of times to get it all shiny. >>
I believe the degree of misogyny, objectification and stereotyping about women on this thread (and elsewhere in the forum) do a good job of answering the question in the thread's title without much further analysis.
Cinman....
A very interesting topic, with lots of insightful replies, including some that make one cringe.
Not too long ago my profession [law] was one which was largely white and male.
Not so anymore. Women and non white males are an ever increasing segment of total lawyers. Just like white lawyers, the women and non white males run the gamot from brilliant and wildly successful to idiots [who you wonder how they ever made it through law school and passed the bar]. Once you get to be around any given lawyer, you can tell if they are sharp as a tack or a dullard.
Call me old fashioned, but when I deal with a woman lawyer, I find myself making a concerted effort to be on my best behavior, out of respect. In genereal, women [whether they know it or not and whether they deserve it or not] have a civilizing influence on men. Kudos for that, since men hanging out among other men can be downright crude, rude and disgusting.
Of course, my wife tells me that women, amongst themselves, can be just as crude, rude and disgusting. Glad I have not been privy to any such interaction among women, since it would puncture my preconception that women generally are much more refined and civilized than men.
Frankly, be they dealers or collectors, women [anyone really, as long as they do not smell like rotten garbage] in the hobby are great, since they also love the same hobby I love. For example, Charmy is very knowledgeable and has some great toned copper. I appreciate being able to meet her at recent Bay Area shows, since I picked up some nice coins from her [and drooled over some of the toned copper she has in her personal collection].
<< <i>Well, you knew you'd be hearing from at least one of us! Wow, gentlemen, some of your replies here say it all - you don't seem to make the atmosphere very conducive to women as equals in this business, do you? I can tell you it was hard for me, just because I am a woman, to gain the respect of my fellow coin dealers. Originally, I was looked at as an oddity. And believe me, it has nothing to do with women spending vs. men saving. Women have always been interested in collecting, just as much as men, but not so much of coins. When I got introduced to coins, I was already a collector of many types of things, so it was an easy and enjoyable transition for me to become interested in collecting coins. And I agree with Coinosaurus that I think the next generation will see far more females in this industry, especially if more men learn to respect and appreciate the women who are already in this business! >>
Charmy---------well said. Women do collect things! My wife collects Svorski crystal and glass chickens. She as no interest in coins as I do not have interest in here glass "trinkets". It's a good thing. It gives us our "alone" time. One thing I've learned in my 47 years on earth is that women can do just as good a job as men in any profession. Actually, it's not a gender thing-----it's a matter of dedication, training and intelligence. I remember and auto parts store my shop dealt with years ago. They had two guys and a girl named Beth that took phone orders. I'd rather talk to Beth---why?----because she was much more competent.
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Based on my observations from attending almost 50 coin shows per year, it is a fact that this hobby/ business is still dominated by elderly White males who largely bear socially conservative sentiments. However it isn't to say that there aren't any brilliant female numismatic minds out there but they are greatly outnumbered. I've also noticed , though gradually, more participation in numismatics from men who aren't White (like myself), but just like the women they too are greatly outnumbered.
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<< <i>is it an instinctive desire to spend rather than save ?
women have their own nerd hobbies like scrapbooking and cross stitching
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<< <i>ziggy put into words what i noticed early on in this thread. we need go no further than read some of the responses, that is if your stomach can take it. people here are truly disconnected with the rest of the world, and looks like the rest of humanity as well. stupidity will defeat reason every time. >>
some of you people really need a sense of humor and quit looking at everything through oversensitive eyes. More men collect coins because it's a man thing. Do you have a better explanation? Most women will tell you there are certain woman hobbies and man hobbies. Occasionally the genders cross those lines. I have tried to get my wife interested in coins, but she's not interested. Even she has told me on more than one occasion that it's a man thing.
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The women in my family are into education, child care, law, medicine, banking, health & beauty, and entertainment....just to name a few things. Add mothering, grandmothering and homemaking, too.
Coins are boring to them, regardless of what others here like to think.
Men, in spite of our idiocy or ignorance, have very little to do with why women don't do things. From my limited experience with women, I've found that they do what they want and typically don't mind what we do, as long as it's what they say.
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Why are there not a lot of women in coins? Just throwing out some ideas here
1. They do not like to haggle over price ( some men hate to also)
2. Precieved value?
3. Women like to do stuff in groups? Hard to find other women that would like to go to a coin show?
4. Dealers, coin sellers and others see nothing wrong with selling problem coins, crap to new coin collectors for as much a rip as they can get. Part of the tution process. I would not think most women would agree that is the right thing to do.
5. Money, can a family support 2 coin collectors doing there own thing?
My son knows a lot about coins BUT he has no desire to spend his money on them, or go to shows with me. He does stop by the Local B&M about once a month a will buy me a coin world, numis news or something. I have drug him there over the years and they are always nice to him so he does not mind going in there. I keep a lot of coin mags in the guest bathroom and it has amazed me from time to time that his friends have looked thru some of them. His friends will call if the get a "strange" looking coin in change. This is out of a group of 10 to 12 kids, mostly boys but a few girls. Most of them like to look at a few old coins, but none have expressed any desire to collect.
I do not care one way or the other if women collect coins or do not collect them. I do not feel like it is a man only hobby, it has just worked out that way so far. There are a lot of women interested in Nascar, i do not know if they are as interested in Formula one, or cart, irl or what ever it is no called. You would not think on the surface nascar would appeal to women, but i know a lot of women that know far more about nascar than men do. What did Nascar do to attract women? Nascar seemed to be a white male sport, event whatever you want to call it. Nascar wants other groups to be involved and over the last 15 years i have seen more and more people of other nationalities start showing up.
Has the ANA , pNG or others ever done a survey to see why women are not interested?
Does the hobby even need to change?
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<< <i>Well, you knew you'd be hearing from at least one of us! Wow, gentlemen, some of your replies here say it all - you don't seem to make the atmosphere very conducive to women as equals in this business, do you? I can tell you it was hard for me, just because I am a woman, to gain the respect of my fellow coin dealers. Originally, I was looked at as an oddity. And believe me, it has nothing to do with women spending vs. men saving. Women have always been interested in collecting, just as much as men, but not so much of coins. When I got introduced to coins, I was already a collector of many types of things, so it was an easy and enjoyable transition for me to become interested in collecting coins. And I agree with Coinosaurus that I think the next generation will see far more females in this industry, especially if more men learn to respect and appreciate the women who are already in this business!
>>
Don't assume all the posts by males here reflect an attitude. Men often say what they observe and it is in interpreted as a negative attitude. For example, one of the officers of WIN has on her resume that she collects Silver Art Bars and Rounds with a Christmas Theme--nothing else. Can you imaging a male numismatist with a resume like that? I certainly welcome an informed female numismatist like the ones in this thread but I might have trouble finding something to talk about with the owner of this resume. --Jerry
Now, having said that and reading a few posts here I once again feel especially lucky. My Wife and I started collecting together over 25 years ago. We went to shops, shows, studied coins at home, and went to the safe box to play as well
If you notice I talk about what I had........ unfortunately Cancer decided to take her away.
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<< <i>I have already been in trouble once in this thread although that was not my intent, i have had a few more shallow thoughts. Times are changing and the younger generation is a lot different than when i was young 30 years ago.
Time is the biggest problem for a lot of people
Why are there not a lot of women in coins? Just throwing out some ideas here
1. They do not like to haggle over price ( some men hate to also)
2. Precieved value?
3. Women like to do stuff in groups? Hard to find other women that would like to go to a coin show?
4. Dealers, coin sellers and others see nothing wrong with selling problem coins, crap to new coin collectors for as much a rip as they can get. Part of the tution process. I would not think most women would agree that is the right thing to do.
5. Money, can a family support 2 coin collectors doing there own thing?
My son knows a lot about coins BUT he has no desire to spend his money on them, or go to shows with me. He does stop by the Local B&M about once a month a will buy me a coin world, numis news or something. I have drug him there over the years and they are always nice to him so he does not mind going in there. I keep a lot of coin mags in the guest bathroom and it has amazed me from time to time that his friends have looked thru some of them. His friends will call if the get a "strange" looking coin in change. This is out of a group of 10 to 12 kids, mostly boys but a few girls. Most of them like to look at a few old coins, but none have expressed any desire to collect.
I do not care one way or the other if women collect coins or do not collect them. I do not feel like it is a man only hobby, it has just worked out that way so far. There are a lot of women interested in Nascar, i do not know if they are as interested in Formula one, or cart, irl or what ever it is no called. You would not think on the surface nascar would appeal to women, but i know a lot of women that know far more about nascar than men do. What did Nascar do to attract women? Nascar seemed to be a white male sport, event whatever you want to call it. Nascar wants other groups to be involved and over the last 15 years i have seen more and more people of other nationalities start showing up.
Has the ANA , pNG or others ever done a survey to see why women are not interested?
Does the hobby even need to change? >>
I appreciate your observations.
Perhaps a lot of the reason women aren't as actively involved is simple
inertia. Women haven't been widely involved in the past so they aren't
now. This does appear to be changing a little. There aren't really male
and female collecting specialties though in some instances it's obvious
that something will appeal to one sex or the other. It's not as though
coins have to involve heavy lifting or lots of kerosene to clean up after-
ward.
Perhaps some small part of it has been the perception that coins are dir-
ty. Some hotels used to wash their coins so as not to soil the ladies white
gloves. They usually used steel shot so this also contributes to the wear
of many coins. Maybe slabbing will work to change the perception.
Coins: They aren't just for men anymore.
<< <i>For example, one of the officers of WIN has on her resume that she collects Silver Art Bars and Rounds with a Christmas Theme--nothing else. Can you imaging a male numismatist with a resume like that? I certainly welcome an informed female numismatist like the ones in this thread but I might have trouble finding something to talk about with the owner of this resume. --Jerry >>
I don't have a problem with that. People will collect trade tokens of one little state, or equally esoteric things. I'm more taken with how interesting they can make it look. Can you take a topic like Christmas art bars and ferret out all the little stories that make them compelling? Some people can. Also just because someone collects one thing doesn't mean they aren't extremely knowledgable in other areas.
<< <i>I have already been in trouble once in this thread although that was not my intent, i have had a few more shallow thoughts. Times are changing and the younger generation is a lot different than when i was young 30 years ago.
I do not care one way or the other if women collect coins or do not collect them. I do not feel like it is a man only hobby, it has just worked out that way so far. There are a lot of women interested in Nascar, i do not know if they are as interested in Formula one, or cart, irl or what ever it is no called. You would not think on the surface nascar would appeal to women, but i know a lot of women that know far more about nascar than men do. What did Nascar do to attract women? Nascar seemed to be a white male sport, event whatever you want to call it. Nascar wants other groups to be involved and over the last 15 years i have seen more and more people of other nationalities start showing up.
Does the hobby even need to change? >>
I am pretty sure that NASCAR is still mostly white men and a few of their sist....ummm wives.
<< <i>Because they took one look at us guys and ran for their lives.
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<< <i>Never mind...started another thread. >>
Here is the head. Only the tail is missing.
And by golly, I don't really care how many people want to argue the point. It's so off topic, it makes no cents.
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