am I getting scammed?
OAKESY25
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ok.. so i win this auction.. obviously I got it very cheap..
I was expecting to never get it.. file a claim and get my money back to be honest
88 fleer basketball box
anyway.. I get one of those shipping messages with the tracking number the next day from seller / paypal
so i was like sweet! anyway.. I keep checking the tracking because I wanted to bust it and send in on the $4.50 special
anyway.. it arrived in illinois on saturday but I didn't get it so I figured for sure monday.. monday comes my mail goes at 11 am and no box.. I am bummed
I check the dc and it still shows not delivered.. so around 5:00 I check it again to see if it at least made it to my post office in town
and it shows delivered at 2:30 pm that day.. so I run to my post office because I want to catch the carrier and find out if he remember delivering a box to a house before time clouds his memory...
the postal manager claims he is gone for the day.. I asked if my regular mailman was working today because he knows me well and takes special care of my stuff and in turn I tip him well.
The postal manager guy checks the confirmation and said it was from there scanner and then he personally went out and knocked on the houses on the next 4 blocks with my house # and they didn't get it.
It just dawned on me as I was laying in bed that I might be getting scammed here.. all he has to do is send a delivery confirmation to anyone in in my area code.
He hasn't responded to my emails or ebay messages the whole time.
because this guy has low feedback does paypal put a hold on his account?? I filed a claim tonight
I was expecting to never get it.. file a claim and get my money back to be honest
88 fleer basketball box
anyway.. I get one of those shipping messages with the tracking number the next day from seller / paypal
so i was like sweet! anyway.. I keep checking the tracking because I wanted to bust it and send in on the $4.50 special
anyway.. it arrived in illinois on saturday but I didn't get it so I figured for sure monday.. monday comes my mail goes at 11 am and no box.. I am bummed
I check the dc and it still shows not delivered.. so around 5:00 I check it again to see if it at least made it to my post office in town
and it shows delivered at 2:30 pm that day.. so I run to my post office because I want to catch the carrier and find out if he remember delivering a box to a house before time clouds his memory...
the postal manager claims he is gone for the day.. I asked if my regular mailman was working today because he knows me well and takes special care of my stuff and in turn I tip him well.
The postal manager guy checks the confirmation and said it was from there scanner and then he personally went out and knocked on the houses on the next 4 blocks with my house # and they didn't get it.
It just dawned on me as I was laying in bed that I might be getting scammed here.. all he has to do is send a delivery confirmation to anyone in in my area code.
He hasn't responded to my emails or ebay messages the whole time.
because this guy has low feedback does paypal put a hold on his account?? I filed a claim tonight
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Always looking for Vintage Yankees & NASCAR
Eric
There is NO easy way to "prove" this is a SCAM.
And, the guy will win the PayPal claim if he followed the correct procedures.
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Because your seller joined after January 2007, and has low-FB, PayPal
will hold his funds.
Member since: Apr-29-07 in United States
Still, the DC ticket is "proof" to PayPal.
You can file a report with the USPS. If they are friendly they might look
into it, but it is sort of impossible UNLESS they can find the carrier who
remembers the item.
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IF the seller has now done this to other folks - and they complain - PayPal
will make the right decision. Otherwise, DC prevails.
PP might do a "courtesy refund," if you have never had one before. Sometimes,
they do it without having to ask; sometimes you need to file a complaint with
the San Jose BBB.
can use DC to steal; as long as they keep the amount under
$250.00.
I had an issue as a seller where a case of cards was "misdelivered"
I insured it for $150 and had DC...
the post office denied my claim and my appeal because of the dc
I ended up refunding the guy because i figured paypal would rule against me anyway
and I didn't want to get neg'd
<< <i>I thought they don't always side with the seller even with a DC?
I had an issue as a seller where a case of cards was "misdelivered"
I insured it for $150 and had DC...
the post office denied my claim and my appeal because of the dc
I ended up refunding the guy because i figured paypal would rule against me anyway
and I didn't want to get neg'd >>
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I have never lost a USPS insurance claim based on DC.
Any initial claim denial can be appealed at least TWO levels up.
Subsequent to those being denied, additional pleadings can
be filed to request a reexamination of the claim.
The USPS KNOWS that DC is not "proof" of much. If a substitute
carrier is involved, the claim is usually easier.
And, PayPal would have been VERY unlikely to rule against you.
You would have been NEGd, tho.
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There have been quite a few DC scams by EBAY sellers in the
past year. PayPal is aware of it, and they may be inclined to
act prudently here.
Your best hope is that he has other similar SCAMS going on
right now.
his feedback wasn't private at the time of sale.. it was all as a buyer though
I thought about leaving a neg but it is way to soon.. I wanted to tip the other guy off if we are both sitting here waiting
for the feedback to change..
If he knows that, he may complete that deal satisfactorily with Signature Confirmation.
toolhaus
Label/Receipt Number: 0309 0330 0000 3589 0184
Class: First-Class Mail®
Service(s): Delivery Confirmation™
Status: Delivered
Your item was delivered at 2:30 PM on August 31, 2009 in TINLEY PARK, IL 60477.
Detailed Results:
Bullet Delivered, August 31, 2009, 2:30 pm, TINLEY PARK, IL 60477
Bullet Processed through Sort Facility, August 29, 2009, 6:45 pm, ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL 60007
Bullet Processed through Sort Facility, August 27, 2009, 8:58 pm, LEHIGH VALLEY, PA 18002
Bullet Acceptance, August 27, 2009, 3:12 pm, EAST STROUDSBURG, PA 18301
<< <i>That really SUCKS!! Is there a way to find out his address? If there is I would notify his local police department and harass the guy until he sends you your money back. >>
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There is a fair chance that the USPS delivered the item
to the wrong address.
Just because the guy looks "suspicious," does not prove
he is a scammer. I think he is, but I sure cannot prove it.
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If PP refunded every buyer - in spite of DC - EBAY would implode.
I dunno.
Joe Reeser search
Always looking for Vintage Yankees & NASCAR
Eric
It takes me about 4 hours to deliver my route on Tuesdays, we get extra ads on tuesdays and it takes longer. When I deliver city routes I would be miles away (not 4 blocks away!) by 3 1/2 hours later.
He either sent a package to a different part of the route (unlikely) or your carrier goofed up, or your carrier realized at the end of the day that he missed it and scanned it as delivered to avoid a failure.
I'll take the DC number and run it at work, and see if I can tell you how much the package weighed. At least then you'll know if it was the right size to be a box of cards.
Steve
<< <i>Bob I think a key thing is the 2:30 delivery time. If your mail came at 11am, that's 3 1/2 hours later!
It takes me about 4 hours to deliver my route on Tuesdays, we get extra ads on tuesdays and it takes longer. When I deliver city routes I would be miles away (not 4 blocks away!) by 3 1/2 hours later.
He either sent a package to a different part of the route (unlikely) or your carrier goofed up, or your carrier realized at the end of the day that he missed it and scanned it as delivered to avoid a failure.
I'll take the DC number and run it at work, and see if I can tell you how much the package weighed. At least then you'll know if it was the right size to be a box of cards. >>
Good thinking there Jim.
A box of cards would weigh around a certain amount and be charged the postage needed to deliver to your area.
Hope this works out for you.---- Sonny
he paid for shipping.. because it was supposed to be priority shipping but wasn't
so that rules out a flat rate box.
I talked to the carrier yesterday and was telling him about the time variance and he was like sometimes they get
late shipments and the managers want to get them out so they send runners or whatever out to deliver these packages..
my guess is this guy just looked up a tinley park address and sent something with a dc
that is why it hasn't been redirected to me
If I were you, I would camp out next to my mailbox today and try to talk to the mailman. 99% of the mail carriers I've ever talked to are extremely nice and helpful.
We don't keep track of who sent any normal packages, unless there is a return receipt due. Sometimes I notice and if it was a familiar name I might remember but that doesn't happen often.
You're probably right about his looking up an address and sending a random package. The problem with that is a bubble mailer with a pen inside will weigh 3 or 4 ounces, a box of cards will weigh much more. If the package he sent only weighed a few ounces I would say you have some fraud.
<< <i>Watch it be delivered today, that would be funny.
If I were you, I would camp out next to my mailbox today and try to talk to the mailman. 99% of the mail carriers I've ever talked to are extremely nice and helpful. >>
I talk to many more, and some are really really bad and put on a nice face outside the building!
either way he should be responding to me though..
I also like that goofbay link, i didnt think that was still up and running, very cool.
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>ok.. so i win this auction.. obviously I got it very cheap..
I was expecting to never get it.. file a claim and get my money back to be honest
88 fleer basketball box
anyway.. I get one of those shipping messages with the tracking number the next day from seller / paypal
so i was like sweet! anyway.. I keep checking the tracking because I wanted to bust it and send in on the $4.50 special
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You said you got one of those emails from paypal after they made the shipping label? Isn't the email suppose to show both shipping addresses so you know where it's coming from and where it's going to?
<< <i>File a SNAD claim with paypal, and when they tell you to send back the item just ship something similar in weight to a full wax box to a random address in his zip code, then when you're asked to prove you delivered it back to him you're covered like he was. >>
Nick, that reminds me of how we dealt with a scumbag in the auto parts business years ago. A wholesale customer bounced a check and for whatever reason, our main office didn't persue it enough and never collected the money from him. A few years later, he called again to order some more parts, (back when UPS would actually collect cash on a COD delivery). We sent a couple of used brake rotors to him COD, got the cash he owed us and he got nothing. Of course UPS was gone with the cash before he opened the box
Never heard from him again for some reason
REESER,JOSEPH G & SALLY N6NW4 - 8 12E - 0214 2600 BELAIRE RD BETHLEHEM, PA 18017-3502
Maybe a PM to Storm is in order. He knows a LOT about paypal and ebay and scams. Get his advice and I'll try to help from here.
I would think that if the guy provides that DC number to prove he shipped your wax box that it's not an honest mistake and it's a slam dunk case of fraud for the postal inspectors.
LMK what I can do to help.
Steve
Go get 'em!
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OK. There is the proof.
The OP needs to write these facts up in a professional manner.
That doc can be submitted as an addendum to the original complaint.
IF you can get a printout of the doc showing the actual postage
paid, that will be a good thing. That can be emailed/faxed to PP.
You also need to document the weight of the item that was
purchased, obviously.
After filing the information, call PP on the phone and ask for a
supervisor. Restate to him the info that is in the written doc.
When talking to PP emphasize that THIS EXACT scam has been
being played on EBAY for at least a year. "Criminals are using PP
rules to steal from buyers."
In the event that your initial PP claim is denied, an appeal can
be filed and the San Jose BBB can be brought in.
You can also go straight to PP security and tell them the story.
Get the names of everybody you talk to at PP.
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Optional: I would do this, but it may not be worthwhile.
Email the scamster with the USPS info.
Tell him he has 24-hours to make a PayPal refund, or you
will have the cops at his door and the USPS inspectors on
the case.
If you KNOW the addy of property he owns or resides at,
include it in your demand. If you are unsure about that addy,
leave it out.
Do NOT cuss or threaten in emails.
Sometimes caught folks rollover, sometimes not.
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You could also try to pull his EBAY contact info. IF it is even
slightly incorrect, you may be able to get EBAY T&S to void
the transaction. PP should then make a fast refund.
You can also contact EBAY T&S directly.
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I have a feeling that the scamster knows the rules and
will send the $400 order with Signature Confirmation.
IF he is a dumb kid, he may not know the rules and the
OP's case will be stronger.
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In the end, this kind of chargeback is a slamdunk at the
credit-card issuer, if PP jacks you around.
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Good that this board has access to a knowledgeable USPS employee.
Absent the info he provided, this case could have been a hard one to win.
and I wrote the guy a message.. hahaha I know it is not mature but I love dumb people and I want him to be scared to death
oooh Joey I got ya... Yes you were scammed. $1.56 postage, plus $.19 for DC. First class, 3 ounces
straight from the post office... I'm gonna get ya.. can ya feel it coming?? refund my dough in full and I will back off.. either way I am getting it back.. only one way will I let it go though..
Sounds like this guy won't be able to do that. Although I was the seller in this case, not the buyer
<< <i>
IF you can get a printout of the doc showing the actual postage
paid, that will be a good thing. That can be emailed/faxed to PP.
You also need to document the weight of the item that was
purchased, obviously.
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Wife tells me that a printout should be easy, if she can get one tomorrow at work I'll scan and Bob will have it tomorrow evening.
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NOT good.
In every jurisdiction that I am aware of, "I'm gonna get ya" constitutes
terroristic threatening and is construed as a threat of personal injury.
(While I find such laws pretty ridiculous, they remain the law. Back in the
day, almost everybody I know would have been locked up at least once
a week.)
I am NOT lecturing anybody, but it has been noted here many times
that scam-victims HURT their position by saying unprofessional things.
In private, I can get away with putting a pistola in a scammer's mouth
and demanding a refund. He said vs. he said, and no witnesses.
Via email, "I'm gonna get ya," is just too risky.
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Threats Sent via E-mail Constitute a Federal Crime
IBLS Editorial Department
Friday, May 30, 2008
EDITED
Electronic communications, in particular e-mails, have become a valuable working and social tool in the XXI century. Unfortunately, given its immediate delivery and disguised anonymity, some conflicted souls are increasingly using e-mails to transmit hateful messages. Transmitting threatening messages via e-mail is a federal crime in the United States and carries a penalty of imprisonment of up to five years or a fine, or both.
18 U.S.C. § 875(c) states: "Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both." From the wording of § 875(c) it is clear that the legislator did not require the element of 'intent.' Thus, it is irrelevant if the accused claims he/she did not have the intent to produce any injury on the victim; the mere act of sending the e-mail with threatening messages typifies the criminal conduct.
The holding in United States v. DeAndino, 958 F.2d 146 (US Ct. App. 6th Cir. 1992) confirms this statement. In DeAndino, the court held: "A criminal statute such as 18 U.S.C.S. § 875(c) does not contain a specific mens rea element. However, such a statute is not presumed to create a strict liability offense, because mere omission from the statute of any mention of intent will not be construed as eliminating that element from the crime denounced."
Many other US circuit courts have followed this interpretation in DeAndino. For instance, the First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth circuit courts have followed this interpretation of 18 U.S.C. § 875(c) as not requiring specific mens rea (mental state of intent).
DeAndino held that this crime requires three specific elements: (i) there must be a transmission in interstate commerce; (ii) there must be a communication containing the threat; (iii) and the threat must be a threat to injure the person of another.
Therefore, according to 18 U.S.C. § 875(c) sending e-mails with words threatening injury is a federal crime and can be easily proven by showing that it was sent to a person in other state, showing the e-mail, and the wording the e-mail contains. Thus, individuals prompt to explosive reactions should be cautions when wording their e-mail messages. A simple 'mistake' in wording e-mails threatening its recipient with an injury, even if not intended, may typify a federal crime with a harsh imprisonment sentence.
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Oakesy, love the message you sent to the crook. If he responds to you, please post it.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
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just mean he is gonna get pinched for his fraud.. And I am gonna be the guy that does it..
all in all.. it is only $125 and I am not all that concerned.. at this point with the info we got..
I want him to feel fear of a cop knocking on his door at any second.. maybe rethink his stupidity next time.
I am guessing the guy committing fraud and using the u.s. postal system to do it.. isn't gonna turn me in.. haha
I realized when I wrote it.. that it was unprofessional and probably stupid.. but it is fun.. lol
There is evidence he has stolen your money - you have no obligation to be polite to him.
The one time I sent a threatening email, I got a paypal refund the next day.