Today's Coin Shop Finds - Please Help Identify

dcarr

1788 Massachusetts Cent - die variety doesn't match any coins I viewed on-line (note position of arrows and leaves).



"Am I Not A Man" token.
I assume that this is the circa 1790 British Conder token version and not the super-rare US circa 1838 Hard Times token (HT-82).
I've read that the British version has edge lettering, but this example has none.



1809 Half Cent with peculiar lines below "HALF". Probably post-mint damage, but they sure look like raised lines only, with no slicing.




1814 Bust Half Dollar. Huge "W" counterstamp. Is this an Overton variety (see line connecting left banner to upper wing) ?



Thanks for any info (I need to add some books to my numismatic library).

LotsoLuck

Very cool pieces. However I can not offer the dcarr any help

sumnom

Could the half cent be a cast counterfeit? The surface looks a little bubbly.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

<< <i>Could the half cent be a cast counterfeit? The surface looks a little bubbly. >>



It's genuine.

seanq

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If you look closely at this picture you can see that what look like four raised lines are actually the metal displaced on either side of two deep scratches. The coin probably circulated for years after the scratches were made, which allowed the displaced metal to blend into the surface of the coin and appear as though it was a die defect.

I can't help with the rest of the questions, but I'm certainly anticipating the answers.


Sean Reynolds

dcarr

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If you look closely at this picture you can see that what look like four raised lines are actually the metal displaced on either side of two deep scratches. The coin probably circulated for years after the scratches were made, which allowed the displaced metal to blend into the surface of the coin and appear as though it was a die defect.

I can't help with the rest of the questions, but I'm certainly anticipating the answers.


Sean Reynolds >>



Yes, I think that is the only logical explanation. As I stated in my initial post, I think it is post-mint damage. And now that I look at the coin closer, I'm sure of it. Dark-colored gunk ("crust") has filled in the slits over the years - hiding the depressed areas and only allowing the raised areas to show.

commoncents05

I would guess the colonial is a counterfeit, but I am by no means an expert.

-Paul

dcarr

I think I found it.
The Massachusetts Cent appears to be a genuine Ryder 11-F variety. R5 according to this previous Heritage auction:
Heritage Massachusetts Cent, Ryder 11-F

oreville

DCARR:

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dcarr

Answered my own question - the Bust Half Dollar is the O-103 variety, not particularly scarce.

MWallace

I especially like the first two (Mass. Cent & "Am I Not A Brother" token). They're both on my want list.

farthing

The conder token is cataloged by Dalton & Hamer as part of the Middlesex Political & Social Series as DH1039d and was struck without a collar. You are correct that many of the varieties of this token come with edge lettering but there are also varieties that are edge milled (//// or \\) as well as with an engrailed edge.

guitarwes

Nice pieces. Interesting.

On the Half Cent, it looks like 2 deep scratches that the metal has folded over on each edge with some wear on them. The '14 CBH looks like a 103. Can't help with the others, but I hope they're genuine. They look to be.

-wes


EDITED TO ADD: I guess if I had've read all the other posts, I wouldn't look like a fool right now (or a genius)..... Sorry......