Fake 1802 Half Dollars on eBay

Nysoto

I have not looked at the 1802's for awhile, there are two fakes, one for a $4000 BIN from Argentina, the other is currently bid to $565 with a seller from "hartford, United States". They are both cast fakes from a 1806 pointed six no stem, O-109, where the 6 was tooled away and replaced with a 2.

This is pathetic, eBay needs to have better enforcement with fakes. Its time for the Secret Service to step in.

1802 Fake bid to $565
1802 Fake $4000 BIN

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seatedcollector

thank you for sharing, when people stop buying the fakes, china will stop making them or just make them better. imagine this scenario: people learning to spot fakes for themselves, i know its a mind boggling concept, the 1802 half from hartford looks good to me but then again i dont know scheeaat about them, but if i wanted to buy one, i may try to learn a little before i bid $600+ the seller does have a high feedback score with a 7 day return

MsMorrisine

did you report the items?

Nysoto

<< <i>did you report the items? >>


Not yet, but I will this evening when I have more time. If anyone else would like to also report, it would probably increase the odds of cancelling the auctions.

Nysoto

This 1806 O.109 die marriage is used to make "replica" fakes in China. Form what I have heard, the word replica or copy is often photoshopped on the coin and is not on the coin when received. These 1802 fakes are probably made from the Chinese fakes of 1806 half dollars.

JaPa

Okay this is a dumb "old" newbie question but on the Hartford coin can you please expound on your reasoning for proclaiming it a "fake"? I in no way argue your analysis, would not know how if I wanted too, just to educate myself would like to know if this is a common way of faking this coin or will you explain why you think the 2 was once a 6. Thanks.

Oh don't worry this will NOT be the stupidest question I ever ask!

Baley

Here's a real one. Note the shape of the 2 in the date, as well as the size of the stars on the reverse, and the stem extending through the claw.

As there is only one die marriage for 1802 halves (O.101), all genuine pieces will have the same size, shape, and spatial relationships of devices as this one

DNADave

what "detailed reason" do you report under?

and what following "details" do you use?

JaPa

<< <i>Here's a real one. Note the shape of the 2 in the date, as well as the size of the stars on the reverse, and the stem extending through the claw.

As there is only one die marriage for 1802 halves (O.101), all genuine pieces will have the same size, shape, and spatial relationships of devices as this one

>>



Thank you!

MsMorrisine

not that all chinese are bad... but "lian" is a chinese word and could be a indicative of a chinese seller.... who knows.

TomB

The seller from Argentina has also been offering fake 1923-S SLQs, if I recall correctly.

segoja

Sent the seller a ? asking about guarantee of authenticity. His reply: I think the coin will go back to the dealer. I think it's a fake.

I told him he was correct.

We'll see if he pulls the auction.

segoja

Actuall looks like he did pull the auction.

Score one for the good guys.

Nysoto

As Baley mentioned, the fake 1802's have large reverse stars, no stem through the claw, and the position of the 2 is different. I would recommend NOT buying any raw bust coins on eBay until a person is proficient in attributing coins by die variety with the current reference book, for a given series (Overton for Half Dollars). The amount of fakes on eBay is staggering.

I am glad to see one of the auctions ended (Thanks Segoja!). I will still report, as these sellers should be ousted from eBay.

Here is another genuine 1802 half dollar for comparison:

Nysoto

Both listings were removed. It pays to report items that you can prove are counterfeit.

JRocco

<< <i>Both listings were removed. It pays to report items that you can prove are counterfeit. >>



Thanks for the help

kaz

Nice job, you guys! eBay has been more prompt about pulling fakes lately, if you give them a good explanation.