Do you think this '52 Topps psa Mantle is legit?

talonmm · August 25, 2009 10:06AM

I contacted some of the ebay sellers who had a topps '52 Mantle psa 4 card for sale. One came back at $11,000.00. I would appreciate any help or feedback if you think this auction looks OK.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220469208895&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123

thanks,

Mike

larryallen73 · August 25, 2009 10:09AM

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larryallen73 · August 25, 2009 10:11AM

That auction ended. I personally would not send $11k to some person with 133 feedback who sells cards on occasion. Maybe it's just me. If I were buying a '52 Mantle I would pay an extra 10 or 15% and buy from a top level dealer.

talonmm · August 25, 2009 10:20AM

thanks,

i won the auction, now I am worried that something is not right. The dealers seem that they want 13-14 for the same grade.

larryallen73 · August 25, 2009 10:31AM

I would get some assurances from the seller before sending him a dime. Maybe get an e-escrow company involved.

storm888 · August 25, 2009 10:35AM

Source of photo:

not a good sign

unless the seller is the beardownsphotos.

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I remain clueless as to why anybody would bid on such a listing.

WinPitcher · August 25, 2009 10:36AM

Dealers want 13 or 14 k for the same grade but you don't worry about getting the card.

here with this jamoke you have no idea.

For that kind of deal why not travel and meet?

I have no idea if this seller is good or bad.

Did you try to register the card to see if it was already in someone's set?

I'd do that before I'd go any further.

Steve

WinPitcher · August 25, 2009 10:38AM

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r253/Beardownsphotos/MickeyMantleFront.jpg

is the url for the pic. Wonder if someone here could investigate from that?

Steve

WinPitcher · August 25, 2009 10:40AM

Storm beat me too it!

Steve

iamthegreatcornholio · August 25, 2009 11:21AM

The photobucket theme is that he's a Bears fan. The eBay guy lives in IL, that's a start at least.

IJustLoveCards · August 25, 2009 11:43AM

The mantle is enhanced, there is NO WAY the borders are that white on the card..

Back out of the deal..Fast and I mean fast...

There is a board member here who has a few mantles that is legit and he will sell you one.

If you are interested contact me and I will forward his info to you. Use my PM.

Please dont do this transaction, I have a really bad feeling about it.

storm888 · August 25, 2009 11:43AM

<< <i>The photobucket theme is that he's a Bears fan. The eBay guy lives in IL, that's a start at least. >>

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Item location: Washington, IL

Photobucket connection to: Peoria, IL

Washington is just east of Peoria.

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jimq112 · August 25, 2009 11:48AM

The seller sold a 52 mays to soxfox21 on ebay on 2/18/08 for $627. soxfox left feedback of "perfect transaction--great card". I know there's a big difference between $11K and $627 but at the very least he has sold a 52 topps card with apparent good results.

After doing a little research I think his name is steve and there is a steve who has a fantasy fb team named beardown.That steve has the photobucket page storm referenced, and lives in the same town as the seller.

I would always be nervous about that amount of money. I would take steve's advice and meet him in a public place and trade the money for the card.

Edited to remove names, glad the deal worked out good.

storm888 · August 25, 2009 11:59AM

My concern now rests largely with my view that the
EBAY account looks a little bit jacked.

BUT, some of my accounts would look that way, too;
I have not listed any collectibles for a long time, but
my FB is much higher than the subject seller's.

I dunno.

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As to the card's condition, I liked the PSA 4 that was
discussed here a few days ago MUCH better than I
like this one.

It was centered GREAT, and had wrinkles/creases/scuffs
on the back.

If cards work out the same as stamps did, out-years
are going to forgive LOTS of things, PROVIDED the
centering is GREAT.

talonmm · August 25, 2009 12:05PM

wow! you guys are really good at this!

I got the sellers contact info from ebay and sent him an email and he sent me matching contact info. he has been on ebay for several years. I called him and we had a great conversation. He upgraded the shipping to overnight fed-ex or UPS and will send it tomorrow. using american express and paypal, and after speaking with him from his home, I believe I will be OK. I know on high purchase items thru EBay, american express has been fantastic when items don't arrive. They seem to yank the money (no pun intended) from paypal and paypal yanks it from the seller. I am saving about 20 percent from the other offers and counter offers I have received.
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I really appreciate all your help, this site and the contributors are a great resource!

Mike

thunderdan · August 25, 2009 1:01PM

<< <i>Dealers want 13 or 14 k for the same grade but you don't worry about getting the card.

here with this jamoke you have no idea.

For that kind of deal why not travel and meet?

I have no idea if this seller is good or bad.

Did you try to register the card to see if it was already in someone's set?

I'd do that before I'd go any further.

Steve >>

Steve, how do you search the registry to see if it's in someone's set? Sorry if that's a silly question. Goes to show you how much i pay attention to the registry.

WinPitcher · August 25, 2009 9:56PM

Dan

If you try and register it in your set it won't allow you if someone else already has it in a set.

Perhaps this is the 1 time out of 100 where the Mantle is legit and the seller is too.

Steve

georgebailey2 · August 26, 2009 5:24AM

Hello,
I think you got some great responses. I am also glad that your comfort level is increasing.
Last year, I sold my first item on eBay (I've sold a minimal amount of stuff since then) and my feedback was, I think, around 53 as I had only used eBay for the UD POH 500 Homerun club and the autographed 500 goal club cards. Anyway, I listed the 500 goal cards since I didn't think I could complete it and because it appeared that UD wasn't going to add the newer entrants. Because of the price (I made #1 in the 10/03/08 SCD) it ended up as a complex transaction through paypal (combined with a change in a contact phone number that occurred at the time of the sale) that took a while to consummate. In the end, everything worked out.

My point is, some of the responses indicate that they would never do a high $ transaction with someone that does not have a high feedback. While I agree, I think there are ways to get comfortable with the seller in these situations. A legitimate seller will always be able to respond to an interested buyer. At least I'm hoping that is the case as I am considering putting up a 1956 baseball set and a PSA 7 Bobby Hull rookie sometime between now and the end of the year and my feedback is less than 100.

Good luck with the transaction.
Paul

Beardown · August 26, 2009 10:56PM

I wish I would of checked these boards a couple days ago but have been to busy to look around. The card was mine and it is real and on it's way to it's new home, he'll have it this afternoon. I don't blame anyone for not believing the auction to be legit with the number of scammers out there and in retrospect I should of posted it on here first but didn't really think of it being a problem. Glad to have sold it to a board member and someone who will enjoy it. Just found this thread and had to respond.

IJustLoveCards · August 26, 2009 11:00PM

No problem,

Can you explain to me one thing, How is it that the scan showed the borders of the card so white, Im not implying anything and please dont think I am, I own that particular card and the boarders are not anywhere that white.

I hope you dont find me asking this question to be intrusive or acusatory in any manner. This is what made me suspious..

Thank you

Your card..my card..I used High res scan on my card...also, the lettering on your flip on is a little out of focus...

Beardown · August 26, 2009 11:06PM

I honestly don't know. I do scan most of my cards on a piece of black construction paper which seems to make them "pop" a little more but it really is a nice card. It's grade is for the diamond cut apperance and soft corners as the picture is very clear and very nice. No offense taken as I do understand people being skeptical of that card. That being said, my brother has the same card in PSA 7 and is considering moveing his also...now that we will definitly post on here before Ebay

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I just started following your '52 Topps thread and am enjoying it very much. Hope to make it to that Chicago show myself and maybe see it in person!

jeffcbay · August 26, 2009 11:07PM

I think he cranked up the brightness on the image, because the flip is also very bright. I still wouldn't have bought it, but that's just me. I'm sure it's okay.

Beardown · August 26, 2009 11:10PM

Here is another scan with some of my other cards. For some reason my scanner seems to make the flip fuzzy.

IJustLoveCards · August 26, 2009 11:13PM

<< <i>I honestly don't know. I do scan most of my cards on a piece of black construction paper which seems to make them "pop" a little more but it really is a nice card. It's grade is for the diamond cut apperance and soft corners as the picture is very clear and very nice. No offense taken as I do understand people being skeptical of that card. That being said, my brother has the same card in PSA 7 and is considering moveing his also...now that we will definitly post on here before Ebay

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I just started following your '52 Topps thread and am enjoying it very much. Hope to make it to that Chicago show myself and maybe see it in person! >>

Thanks for the reponse, I wanted to let you know what made me tell the original op to not complete the transaction. It is sutle things like that the I look for, It isnt always the obvious, and maybe I am wrong at times, but in a transaction like this, I would rather be wrong on the cautious side vs. not.

Please accept my apologies if I offended you in anyway, the point was to show you why I was not sold on the card and where I drew my conclusion from, rightfully or wrongly.

Beardown · August 26, 2009 11:16PM

No problem and no offense taken. It's honestly not easy to move a high end card if your an average person in this industry and understandably so as there are so many dishonest people out there.
He got a good price on a good card and he'll be happy, as am I.

jeffcbay · August 26, 2009 11:28PM

There are a couple "scanner threads" on here with people having the same problem when they scan graded cards, the fuzzy label. I have the same problem with my scanner. It has to do with the gap between the scanner surface and the label surface. It makes it out of focus. I forget exactly what feature it is that you need to make sure your scanner has, but I know mine doesn't have it. My next one will for sure.

talonmm · August 28, 2009 2:40AM

I am the reader that started this topic. I received the card in via fed-ex yesterday, just like the seller promised. In speaking with him, I felt more comfortible in completing the transaction. Please be gentle with me, I am a ring collector, not really a collector of high end cards. I have purchased quite a few rings from ebay and so have other ring collectors - sometimes you acquire rings from front office people who do not sell much on ebay. Therefore there feedback might be very low. One pal of mind, actually purchased a new england patriots superbowl XXXVI ring, exactly like the players received with zero feedback. The ring discounted quite a bit due to zero feedback and my friend make out very well. Here is the scan. I would appreciate if the experts out there could let me know if the card looks legitimate. Thanks again for the education and help, it is very much appreciated.

Mike,

click here to see the pictures: thanks

Front
Back

gameusedhoop · August 28, 2009 3:57AM

Looks very nice. Glad everything worked out well. Alot of horror stories, nice to hear a good one once in awhile.

IJustLoveCards · August 28, 2009 4:14AM

Its real...enjoy your card..You did very well.

storm888 · August 28, 2009 4:59AM

"Looks very nice. Glad everything worked out well. Alot of horror stories, nice to hear a good one once in awhile."

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Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

talonmm · August 28, 2009 5:43AM

Steve,

I just wanted to mention how great you were to deal with. I did not realize you were on the board. In no way did you do anything to alarm me. It's just that I don't really know much about Mantle cards and there are so many horror stories out there about forgeries and now fake slabs. I'm more knowledgeable on rings, not on Mantle cards. You were great to work with and I really appreciate your help this week!

Mike

Beardown · August 28, 2009 10:39PM

Glad you like the card and I'm sure you'll enjoy it for a long time. It was a blast to own and it is one of the only cards in the hobby where you really can't loose. I did well with it and if you decide to sell it, you will do well also. Thanks again for the smooth sale and I look forward to staying in touch through the board.
On a side note. The PSA 7 for sale on Ebay is my brothers and is the real deal also. Just sayin'

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120463815169&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

IJustLoveCards · August 28, 2009 10:46PM

Here you go..

Link to PSA 7 Mantle Being Sold by Beardowns Brother

Beardown · August 29, 2009 12:47AM

Lol. Thanks for the help. I seem to be a little challenged with posting links for some reason.

WinPitcher · August 29, 2009 1:02AM

If I recall last year Beardown and his brother both posted here regarding the 52 Mantles that they owned.

At the time one of them was trying to sell.

I should have put 2+2 together earlier.

Glad to see that finally an Ebay transaction for a 52 Mantle worked out!

Kudos to Bearsdown for not taking offense with some remarks here.

He surely is no 'jamoke'

Steve

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