My Favorite Card Is Up On Ebay ... And Being Auctioned By Great Lakes Auction House

JackWESQ · August 13, 2009 4:36PM

My all-time favorite card ... 1933 Goudey Rogers Hornsby # 188 ... is up on eBay. Slight problem though, it is being auctioned by Great Lakes Auction House. I'm tempted to bid on it and, if won, submit it just to see what it would come back as. Thankfully, I already have a graded copy, but it would be a fun "experiment."

/s/ JackWESQ

Allen · August 13, 2009 4:40PM

Maybe that right edge knick or stain held it back to a PSA 5?

jimq112 · August 13, 2009 9:05PM

It's probably the "fine impress line that extends up from bottom border(about quarter-inch long and primarily noticed when tilted)" that made it a 4 or 5, or possibly even lower than that.

Great looking card if you don't care what number psa gives it.

bobbyw8469 · August 13, 2009 10:29PM

That card looks EXACTLY like the one I had.....it looked flawless...was graded an SGC 2......slight micro surface wrinkle you could only see by tilting it in the light......

baseballfan · August 13, 2009 10:38PM

seem like a nice card what is the issue with great lakes?

jimq112 · August 13, 2009 10:39PM

<< That card looks EXACTLY like the one I had.....it looked flawless...was graded an SGC 2......slight micro surface wrinkle you could only see by tilting it in the light...... >>

Do your records show who you sold it to? That might help us find out who buys the graded cards that great lakes sells

bobbyw8469 · August 13, 2009 10:40PM

I looked under VCP...it was an SGC 3........It was sold 12/31/08.....It shows up under VCP, but the bidder is obscured........
It was one of the nicest Goudey's I ever owned....when I first saw the wrinkle, I wanted to cry because I thought I had put it there.....it was a centered to the left, but it had some of the best corners and surface I had ever seen on a Goudey.....

nam812 · August 13, 2009 10:45PM

<< ........It shows up under VCP, but the bidder is obscured........ >>

If it was your card, forget VCP and just check through your own feedback.

rbdjr1 · August 13, 2009 10:55PM

I bid $10.

My guess is a psa 3 or 4 (but tough to tell from small scans) does have pretty nice eye appeal (edit: but with bobbyw8469's wrinkle, it may be lower??? bobbyw8469: Are you 100% sure this was your card???)

SMR Pricing:

PSA 1 = $ 50
PSA 2 = $ 100
PSA 3 = $ 165
PSA 4 = $ 235
PSA 5 = $ 400

Pop Report (total: 361 graded)

PSA 1 = 23
PSA 2 = 33
PSA 3 = 56
PSA 4 = 68
PSA 5 = 61

edit: bobbyw8469, since you owned it, what PSA grade would you put on this card, as you cannot really see the wrinkle in this scan? Funny Great Lakes Auction House, describes how nice this card is, but fails to mention the "micro wrinkle", that seems to be prevalent, as bobbyw8469 describes it! I think it would be pretty "low class" of Great Lakes Auction House NOT to mention the card's "micro wrinkle", if they indeed knew about it?

bobbyw8469 · August 13, 2009 11:29PM

I have no way of being 100% certain that is my card......It sure looks like it though....and that is G.L.'s business model.....buying low price, superb eye appeal gems, and cracking them out to sell raw, so an unkowing bidder thinks he get a 6-7 card for a 5 price.....

okposo21 · August 13, 2009 11:32PM

Bobby, do you know who you sold it to ?

Was it on ebay? Can you check your feedback from then?

bobbyw8469 · August 13, 2009 11:42PM

Feedback on Ebay is hard to find after a bit of time....this was sold last Dec...for $155.....

KbKards · August 14, 2009 2:39AM

The image of the card you sold is in VCP. It looks 90/10 or more off center to left and is not the same card pictured in the auction.

WinPitcher · August 15, 2009 11:09PM

Any news on this?

Steve

SoFLPhillyFan · August 15, 2009 11:32PM

Buying ID? - member524079241

This was disclosed on the Koufax thread from weeks ago.

Actually bought this one ungraded

Goofbay bidding results

SoFLPhillyFan · August 15, 2009 11:45PM

Looks like this is the Koufax rookie as he bought it

What good lighting and description will get you

nam812 · August 15, 2009 11:48PM

<< The image of the card you sold is in VCP. It looks 90/10 or more off center to left and is not the same card pictured in the auction. >>

You are exactly right.

JeffD27177 · August 15, 2009 11:56PM

<< Looks like this is the Koufax rookie as he bought it

What good lighting and description will get you >>

Those aren't the same cards. Right border is thicker in the Great Lakes auction, for one thing.

SoFLPhillyFan · August 16, 2009 12:03AM

<< 

<< Looks like this is the Koufax rookie as he bought it

What good lighting and description will get you >>

Those aren't the same cards. Right border is thicker in the Great Lakes auction, for one thing. >>

Either way, that is one of the Great Lakes buying IDs.

SDavid · August 16, 2009 12:50AM

I can tell you what this Ted Williams will grade.

Bought as a PSA 5

Definitely the same card--even has the same water mark on the back. If you look closely at his enlarged scan, you can actually see that the corners aren't so hot, but it will probably still sell for good coin.

BTW, I don't think he's buying cards with wrinkles/creases and not disclosing them...he would get negged eventually for that even if he took returns. I think a lot of the graded cards he's buying were cards that were held back because of centering, pd, or other technical issues. He's making money on cards graded 7-7.5 as well.

I couldn't find the Koufax rookie.

hammered · August 16, 2009 1:55AM

It's very tricky what he does. From what I've seen he never lists a specific condition, like NM

Instead, he uses words like "superb" and "fantastic" and "crisp photography" and "centerpiece to a collection". He uses words like "impress" instead of "crease". If a card has rough corners, it has "average corner aging". All the print marks on his cards are "tiny", as to make the buyer think they are inconsequential

His terminology implies (to the uninformed bidder) that this is a high grade card, yet since he never even suggests an actual grade, he can't be held to it

He's a used car salesman

And there are a lot of suckers out there

vladguerrero · August 16, 2009 2:37AM

<< It's very tricky what he does. From what I've seen he never lists a specific condition, like NM

Instead, he uses words like "superb" and "fantastic" and "crisp photography" and "centerpiece to a collection". He uses words like "impress" instead of "crease". If a card has rough corners, it has "average corner aging". All the print marks on his cards are "tiny", as to make the buyer think they are inconsequential

His terminology implies (to the uninformed bidder) that this is a high grade card, yet since he never even suggests an actual grade, he can't be held to it

He's a used car salesman

And there are a lot of suckers out there >>

well put

WinPitcher · August 16, 2009 2:39AM

Geez I can just imagine the reactions around here had I made the same post that Hammered made.

Steve

corvette1340 · August 16, 2009 2:51AM

I don't take offense to the "used car salesman" remark because I own a car dealership. We sell used cars as well as new cars. I also have a restaurant and several other business entities. Oh, and a double major in Econ and Finance from UGA. But if people want to refer to me as a used car salesmen then that is fine too. I've done pretty well selling used cars.

WinPitcher · August 16, 2009 2:58AM

Of course not I was not the one who said it.

Steve

corvette1340 · August 16, 2009 3:02AM

<< Of course not I was not the one who said it.

Steve >>

now you seem to be getting it. I just really don't like you.

WinPitcher · August 16, 2009 3:04AM

Finally, you admit to it.

The feeling of course is mutual.

Steve

SoFLPhillyFan · August 16, 2009 3:07AM

<< Geez I can just imagine the reactions around here had I made the same post that Hammered made.

Steve >>

We give no quarter to Mets fans.

SoFLPhillyFan · August 16, 2009 3:08AM

<< I don't take offense to the "used car salesman" remark because I own a car dealership. We sell used cars as well as new cars. I also have a restaurant and several other business entities. Oh, and a double major in Econ and Finance from UGA. But if people want to refer to me as a used car salesmen then that is fine too. I've done pretty well selling used cars. >>

Gee, and you were doing so well until you got to the UGA part.

corvette1340 · August 16, 2009 3:09AM

<< Finally, you admit to it.

The feeling of course is mutual.

Steve >>

lol, I'm sure everyone thought we were best buddies previously.

WinPitcher · August 16, 2009 3:14AM

Nah that seemed to have ended when I was 'negative' on your 65 topps set purchase that turned
out to be just another one of your debacles.

You remember the one where you got all those 8's that turned out to be trimmed?

The set where I tried to tell you that no dealer would leave that type of money on the table?

Or was it the 61 set fiasco where I simply tried to explain to you the importance of centered cards?

Am I missing anything, used car salesman?

Steve

WinPitcher · August 16, 2009 3:16AM

We give no quarter to Mets fans.

lol good one Keith.

Steve

corvette1340 · August 16, 2009 3:24AM

<< Nah that seemed to have ended when I was 'negative' on your 65 topps set purchase that turned
out to be just another one of your debacles.

You remember the one where you got all those 8's that turned out to be trimmed?

The set where I tried to tell you that no dealer would leave that type of money on the table?

Or was it the 61 set fiasco where I simply tried to explain to you the importance of centered cards?

Am I missing anything, used car salesman? >>

lol, I made almost $1000 on the '61 set, so how was that a fiasco? The cards in the '65 set were never deemed trimmed. I only exercised the return policy since everyone thought they might be trimmed and I didn't want to take a chance on the guy not letting me return them. The seller ended up selling the set for $600 more than I paid and to my knowledge the buyer never complained.

You think everything on here is about you and in reality you mean nothing.

stevek · August 16, 2009 3:32AM

<< My all-time favorite card ... 1933 Goudey Rogers Hornsby # 188 ... is up on eBay. Slight problem though, it is being auctioned by Great Lakes Auction House. I'm tempted to bid on it and, if won, submit it just to see what it would come back as. Thankfully, I already have a graded copy, but it would be a fun "experiment."

/s/ JackWESQ >>

Well frankly, we already know it's gonna come back likely a 5, so bid maximum 5 money on it...of course the problem is it's probably gonna sell for more than that.

There's no "experiment" necessary - we already know their business model and it ain't gonna change for this one card.

WinPitcher · August 16, 2009 3:35AM

If I thought someone on here meant nothing I would not waste my time replying, especially after

I told them not to talk to me.

I might even take my own advice.

Steve

corvette1340 · August 16, 2009 3:37AM

<< If I thought someone on here meant nothing I would not waste my time replying, especially after

I told them not to talk to me.

I might even take my own advice.

Steve >>

you are absolutely right. From hence forth I will never, NEVER reply to anything you say. So jab away. I'm gonna be the better man and step away.

WinPitcher · August 16, 2009 3:38AM

I'll believe that when I see it.

Steve

My Favorite Card Is Up On Ebay ... And Being Auctioned By Great Lakes Auction House

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