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Question about SGC and PSA
gwinny
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I have the majority of my cards in PSA (98%) and a few in SGC. I was thinking about crossing a few cards to SGC because I like the flips so much. What are the opinions about SGC cards holding their value, and the company staying strong, etc, in the future. I have heard that for pre-war cards, there is not a big difference in grade/sales price?
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<< <i>I have the majority of my cards in PSA (98%) and a few in SGC. I was thinking about crossing a few cards to SGC because I like the flips so much. What are the opinions about SGC cards holding their value, and the company staying strong, etc, in the future. I have heard that for pre-war cards, there is not a big difference in grade/sales price? >>
Nobody can predict the future for any company. I think for re-sale value, keep them in PSA slabs. And this comes from someone who likes SGC as well. I personally have seen stronger prices coming from stuff in PSA slabs.
i think it's the ten foot pole.....someday, though, for specific reasons i may move it out of the way.
it's that black frame thingy, i can't stand it.
<< <i>I don't know too much about SGC, but I think it the long run, PSA will hold its value. I think SGC will go under at some point in the future, but I don't think that it possible with PSA. I know how some cards might look good in SGC slabs, but its not really worth it to me for the long run, but of course you can always cross over to PSA later... >>
Why do you think SGC would go under? Do you have an insight or are you just speculating?
They would get all my business if they changed their flip. I hate that green and the website address
seems so minor league? The other thing that drives me nuts is that alot of their
flips look crooked or diamond cut which , not to so redundant, drives
me nuts to the point I can't even look at them.
The pros to using SGC is they are very meticulous and they will label a machine numbered card
with the number on the flip. Very few if any ME's . They grade some issues that PSA won't
which is a plus. They don't use that mylar sleeve that PSA usues. Discs or die cut cards look
so much nicer in a SGC holder then a mylar PSA one.
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2) If crossing over to SGC makes you enjoy your collection more, than do it. (it does for me)
3) I have no concern or worry about SGC closing its doors. From what I have seen, they have continued to gain ground in the graded market. There was more SGC graded at the National, than I have ever seen before.
4) If you want your cards consistently and accurately graded, I would go with SGC over PSA. I have had too many bad experiences with PSA graded cards.
5) If you want great customer service where you are treated as a valued customer, not a number, choose SGC
6) In regards to my #1, it also depends on what your collection is comprised of. If pre-war..no doubt IMO SGC. 40's and 50's football seem to be pretty similar pricing for HOFers and stars. I don't collect others, so I cant speak on that.
7) If alot of commons,. go with PSA due to the set registry.
8) The PSA set registry competition has caused some to pay outlandish prices for cards. If the registry competition wanes, then the PSA edge in pricing will collapse. I feel there is a false value to many PSA graded right now. To me the registry has caused combustable pricing. As population rises for a card, "poof" the high prices it fetches goes away.
9) PSA cards are quicker to sell due to registry demand. I have sold both, and I have found that BOTH PSA and SGC graded will both sell for similar prices if you are patient with the SGC. There are less buyers out there because some will not buy anything but PSA due to their registry competition. I have found that SGC will sell for similar prices...often times higher than PSA if you set the price...not as an auction style.
I know which slab my eye likes best...to me the SGC black insert makes cards looke like mini-works of art.
I prefer SGC....but my collection consists of hundreds of PSA graded cards too.
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<< <i>SGC has the best slabs in the hobby. If its a pre-war card, then Sgc is the way to go in terms of value. If its 1970-current, i would stick with PSA. >>
In your opinion of course..
BUT facts about the slabs are..
1) they are the easiest to crack and show no damage.
2) They are not water proof.
3) The black gasket can cause damage.
4) They do not have any level of UV protection
That's just a few but a very important few to me. Slabbing cards is not always about maximizing value but protecting cards as well..
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<< <i>SGC has the best slabs in the hobby. If its a pre-war card, then Sgc is the way to go in terms of value. If its 1970-current, i would stick with PSA. >>
In your opinion of course..
BUT facts about the slabs are..
1) they are the easiest to crack and show no damage.
2) They are not water proof.
3) The black gasket can cause damage.
4) They do not have any level of UV protection
That's just a few but a very important few to me. Slabbing cards is not always about maximizing value but protecting cards as well.. >>
Only number 2 and 4 are correct. Psa slabs are also not water proof. And since i do not lay my cards outside, the UV protection is meaningless.
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<< <i>I don't know too much about SGC, but I think it the long run, PSA will hold its value. I think SGC will go under at some point in the future, but I don't think that it possible with PSA. I know how some cards might look good in SGC slabs, but its not really worth it to me for the long run, but of course you can always cross over to PSA later... >>
Why do you think SGC would go under? Do you have an insight or are you just speculating? >>
I guess i'm just speculating.... But I have seen grading companies drop left and right, so when it all comes down to it, theres only soo many grading companies we can have. I think the only two surviving grading companies in the future will be PSA and BGS, and everything else will just fade away IMO.
Have you seen what has happened to the SGC forums in the past few years? Its not like it once was, but PSA has more members than ever and it will keep growing. There is more interest in cards graded by PSA then there are SGC, so its only a matter of time that SGC and every other company like GAI go under IMO.
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<< <i>SGC has the best slabs in the hobby. If its a pre-war card, then Sgc is the way to go in terms of value. If its 1970-current, i would stick with PSA. >>
In your opinion of course..
BUT facts about the slabs are..
1) they are the easiest to crack and show no damage.
2) They are not water proof.
3) The black gasket can cause damage.
4) They do not have any level of UV protection
That's just a few but a very important few to me. Slabbing cards is not always about maximizing value but protecting cards as well.. >>
Only number 2 and 4 are correct. Psa slabs are also not water proof. And since i do not lay my cards outside, the UV protection is meaningless. >>
Never said PSA slabs were water proof BUT they did hold up in the tests I ran on slabs where SGC took on water imediatley... also I don't lay my cards outside either but may put a couple on a shelf time to time as well as many others I know..
You say SGC slabs are the best in the hobby and I disagree.. as much as people on these boards dislike BGS I feel they do offer a much better slab than SGC..
Oh before I forget..
here's a couple pics in reference to #1 and #3 and can dig up as many as you like too
Here's one I cracked (with no tools) and placed a 86 fleer card inside.. slab looks pretty clean to me...
here's a card with damage from the gasket.. (not my card) but a loyal SGC collector from the NET54 boards
couple more nice pics
SGC does a good job on grading and all.. But I would disagree when one says they have the best holder in the hobby...
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<< <i>SGC has the best slabs in the hobby. If its a pre-war card, then Sgc is the way to go in terms of value. If its 1970-current, i would stick with PSA. >>
In your opinion of course..
BUT facts about the slabs are..
1) they are the easiest to crack and show no damage.
2) They are not water proof.
3) The black gasket can cause damage.
4) They do not have any level of UV protection
That's just a few but a very important few to me. Slabbing cards is not always about maximizing value but protecting cards as well.. >>
1) I've cracked both PSA and SGC cases and both show damage. On an ebay auction, you can't tell if a case has been tampered with for either slab if the scan is disguised enough. If you want slab integrity, BGS is the way to go because they are the hardest to crack. The only cards that I have bought on ebay and were tampered were both PSA (1959 Mantle and a 1972 Staubach). As soon as I hand them in hand, I knew they were tampered, but on the ebay scan they looked fine (beware of sellers that use white backgrounds for scans).
2) This is a silly point. Many things would have to go wrong before waterproof would be a consideration. If I was homeless and stored all my cards in a Ralph's shopping cart, then I would be concerned.
3) A card moving around in a PSA slab can also cause damage.
4) If a PSA card is in the sun long enough, it will fade as well. I tend to keep my cards in the shade.
I use all three services and don't see any real difference. The value realized for the cards depends more on eye appeal and random luck on ebay. There a more people that collect PSA only slabs due to the set registry or collection continuity. I am using SGC and BGS more lately because I haven't re-upped my PSA membership, paying $100 for the privelege to submit cards doesn't make sense at my current submission volume.
In your case, I would crack and submit into PSA. If 98% of your collection is in PSA holders, it doesn't make sense to start changing now.
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<< <i>I don't know too much about SGC, but I think it the long run, PSA will hold its value. I think SGC will go under at some point in the future, but I don't think that it possible with PSA. I know how some cards might look good in SGC slabs, but its not really worth it to me for the long run, but of course you can always cross over to PSA later... >>
Why do you think SGC would go under? Do you have an insight or are you just speculating? >>
I guess i'm just speculating.... But I have seen grading companies drop left and right, so when it all comes down to it, theres only soo many grading companies we can have. I think the only two surviving grading companies in the future will be PSA and BGS, and everything else will just fade away IMO.
Have you seen what has happened to the SGC forums in the past few years? Its not like it once was, but PSA has more members than ever and it will keep growing. There is more interest in cards graded by PSA then there are SGC, so its only a matter of time that SGC and every other company like GAI go under IMO. >>
PSA is not growing in card grading. In there last filing with the SEC, they said card grading volumes are down about 11% and will continue to be soft. CLCT, the parent company, has lost money 3 of the last 4 qtrs.
I'm sure SGC and BGS are having their troubles as well, but don't think PSA is invincible.
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<< <i>SGC has the best slabs in the hobby. If its a pre-war card, then Sgc is the way to go in terms of value. If its 1970-current, i would stick with PSA. >>
In your opinion of course..
BUT facts about the slabs are..
1) they are the easiest to crack and show no damage.
2) They are not water proof.
3) The black gasket can cause damage.
4) They do not have any level of UV protection
That's just a few but a very important few to me. Slabbing cards is not always about maximizing value but protecting cards as well.. >>
1) I've cracked both PSA and SGC cases and both show damage. On an ebay auction, you can't tell if a case has been tampered with for either slab if the scan is disguised enough. If you want slab integrity, BGS is the way to go because they are the hardest to crack. The only cards that I have bought on ebay and were tampered were both PSA (1959 Mantle and a 1972 Staubach). As soon as I hand them in hand, I knew they were tampered, but on the ebay scan they looked fine (beware of sellers that use white backgrounds for scans).
2) This is a silly point. Many things would have to go wrong before waterproof would be a consideration. If I was homeless and stored all my cards in a Ralph's shopping cart, then I would be concerned.
3) A card moving around in a PSA slab can also cause damage.
4) If a PSA card is in the sun long enough, it will fade as well. I tend to keep my cards in the shade.
I use all three services and don't see any real difference. The value realized for the cards depends more on eye appeal and random luck on ebay. There a more people that collect PSA only slabs due to the set registry or collection continuity. I am using SGC and BGS more lately because I haven't re-upped my PSA membership, paying $100 for the privelege to submit cards doesn't make sense at my current submission volume.
In your case, I would crack and submit into PSA. If 98% of your collection is in PSA holders, it doesn't make sense to start changing now. >>
2) well floods happen.. I know it sounds silly..
3) Never mentioned this can't happen from a PSA slab..
4) True but BGS slabs are the only ones I'm aware of that do have UV protection.
I'm simply stating I feel BGS offers a better slab than SGC I see nobody offering valid points to prove otherwise, Including you
<< <i>Not invincible, but if PSA is doing bad, then the others are doing even worst IMO. All i'm saying is that I think PSA and BGS will the the only two grading companies of the future, and all others will fade away. You can only have soo many companies that offer the same service... >>
If any i think BGS would fade before SGC. Even GAI is still around, just under a different name now.
Steve
For my personal collection that I was just going to keep, it would be SGC for many reasons but two of the biggest, I think in 5-10 years they will be the market leader and there customer service is fantastic. If I have an issue I just pick up the phone and talk to Brian or Michael and they take care of it, just awesome to deal with. Plus love the way my cards look in their slabs.
If it was to flip or to sell short term I would-
1. Anything pre 1948 would be SGC except high grade T206/33 Goudeys then PSA
2. Anything 1949-1969, anything high grade or with a strong registry I would go PSA, mid grade and lower its a toss up between PSA and SGC
3. Anything 1970 and newer I would go PSA if its a registry set issue or BVG
The other thing that I like with Psa is that you can buy a high grade card without a scan:
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Long term, it doesn't matter; the cards are still the same regardless of what slabs their in. 40 years from now PSA and SGC will probably both be out of business and cards will go back to being judged on their own merits.
<< <i>40 years from now PSA and SGC will probably both be out of business and cards will go back to being judged on their own merits. >>
Very optimistic considering man will be eating man within the next few..
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<< <i>I have to agree on the holder issue with SGC. I had a SGC 88 1968 Mantle that was damaged due to the insert not being cut clean. Also, popping an SGC card out is way to easy compared to PSA (also too easy) and BGS (by far hardest). >>
And I have many examples of cards damaged by PSA holders... edge damage.
I agree on the BGS holder being the toughest. Once I was cracking one out, and a gay midget with an axe jumped out and ran accross the street and raped my neighbors horse.
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I agree on the BGS holder being the toughest. Once I was cracking one out, and a gay midget with an axe jumped out and ran accross the street and raped my neighbors horse. >>
Did Bill ever come back from your neighbors place?
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I agree on the BGS holder being the toughest. Once I was cracking one out, and a gay midget with an axe jumped out and ran accross the street and raped my neighbors horse. >>
Did Bill ever come back from your neighbors place? >>
That was Bill??? Well that explains the diaper and the high heels.
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If it was to flip or to sell short term I would-
1. Anything pre 1948 would be SGC except high grade T206/33 Goudeys then PSA
2. Anything 1949-1969, anything high grade or with a strong registry I would go PSA, mid grade and lower its a toss up between PSA and SGC
3. Anything 1970 and newer I would go PSA if its a registry set issue or BVG >>
Pretty much agree with this opinion.
1957 Topps PSA
1961 Fleer SGC
BGS is the big dog in modern and their slab is an absolute beast
PSA's set registry is a huge force in the market. Across the board, I think commons do much better in PSA holders.
SGC has a strong presence in pre-war and their slab is the most aesthetically pleasing, in my opinion. Post-war stars also do well -- probably very close to parity with PSA.
I do not think BVG stands up to either PSA or SGC.
Choices are good -- and, luckily, we all have some nice choices with respect to slabbing.
<< <i>Not invincible, but if PSA is doing bad, then the others are doing even worst IMO. All i'm saying is that I think PSA and BGS will the the only two grading companies of the future, and all others will fade away. You can only have soo many companies that offer the same service... >>
That is equivalent to someone stating that if General Motors is doing bad, then all the others are doing even worse. It simply may not be true at all.
<< <i>If you're talking short term, PSA is probably your best bet based on the market trends.
Long term, it doesn't matter; the cards are still the same regardless of what slabs their in. 40 years from now PSA and SGC will probably both be out of business and cards will go back to being judged on their own merits. >>
The truest post in the thread.