<< <i>There are five possibilities for the new service
1. Pay more for less
2. Pay more for more.
3. Pay the same for more
4. Pay less for less
5. Pay less for more
Why not replace the membership classifications
with the new service and include the free grading.
I do not believe that PCGS will be able to eat it's cake
at the same time keeping the cake intact. If a poll were
taken, I believe that it would sho interest in the new service
but overwhelming rejection of the double billing for membership
as well as the new service. >>
My feelings are that if folks continue to push for this in the CC Membership, where it should be included anyway, that the membership fees will rise for CC Membership accordingly thereby "requiring" all the join as CC members get this new, yet already free, infomation.
I knew that PCGS purchased CoinFacts.com a long time ago and never understood why they weren't updating the information on that site. I now know why but feel most assuredly that this endeavor may not generate its projected income level. Folks that used and relied on CoinFacts.com used it because it WAS free with only an OPTION to purchase a more concise CD.
For an inheritor of coins, the site will go nowhere since they can get this information from any reputable coin dealer. For a newbie collector I imagine there are some possibilitie until they figure out the info is available elsewhere for free. Then they'll drop it like a hot potato! For the dealer/investor, these folks are pennywise and I doubt they'll migrate to this site just for the pretty pictures.
With the initial announcement I heard me say a resounding "YES" and immediately went to the site. When I saw the SIGN UP and the $9.95 per month, I was sorely disappointed. The site is simply not worth $9.95 a month to me. Others may feel it is but thats their call.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>For nearly $120 I would expect an actual bound book, not a year's worth of online access. Bad move. Especially if the subscribers have to see ads. >>
Dang! I forgot about the ads!~
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
For those of you on the fence about the new CoinFacts -- I built the old CoinFacts and I've been working on the new CoinFacts with outside experts and our own team of IT professionals and numismatists. There is no comparison between the two. The new CoinFacts kills the old.
As good as it is, we are constantly updating the site as populations change, coins are sold at auction, as we image more and more important coins, and new knowledge is acquired. The new CoinFacts is a tremendous value, in my humble, highly biased opinion.
Ron Guth President PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins www.CoinFacts.com
<< <i>The Condition Census is a work-in-progress and should be used as a guide only. While every effort is made to be as accurate as possible, errors and omissions may occur. Buyers or sellers of a particular coins should do their own research to determine the relative importance of that coin. PCGS welcomes the input of knowledgeable collectors and dealers to help improve the Condition Census listings.
As a dealer that at least a few collectors consider to be "knowledgeable", why should I provide accurate condition census info for free so that it can be resold by another party? I'm not trying to be a pest, and this question is open to anyone. >>
But why bundle the old CoinFacts with this stuff? To me it's a boondoggle. Take a great site for basic coin information and then "create value" by adding the pop reports and value guides. It's a bunch of BS if you ask me. I don't care about the so-called "added value". My interests lie in the basic coin facts. Call me "cheap" if you will, but this sux from my perspective.
I wish Mr. Willis and the denizens of CLCT the best of luck. But I won't become a willing participant any time soon.
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<< <i>For those of you on the fence about the new CoinFacts -- I built the old CoinFacts and I've been working on the new CoinFacts with outside experts and our own team of IT professionals and numismatists. There is no comparison between the two. The new CoinFacts kills the old.
As good as it is, we are constantly updating the site as populations change, coins are sold at auction, as we image more and more important coins, and new knowledge is acquired. The new CoinFacts is a tremendous value, in my humble, highly biased opinion. >>
Really nice job Ron. It's great to have that much information on a single page. I would have to look at several sites to gain that same information.
I looked at the "sample" pages with IE 8. No problems here.
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I got stuck at the same spot because I was trying to create an account. I already had an account from something in the past so just had hit the forgot password button to have it sent to me.
The only thing I used the old CoinFacts.com for was to look a pictures of coins. I'm not paying $95 a year to look at pretty pictures of coins. 95% of the rest of the information is useless to me. I just want to see what the coins look like. Not worth $95 a year.
<< <i>Standard pricing is $9.95 per month. Or you can pay for 12 months in advance for $95.40 ($7.95 per month). >>
Figure out a way to incorporate a cost for this into your Platinum Club membership, and you will not only sell more subscriptions to the service, you will sell more Platinum Club memberships.
Because the substantial discount will be tied to an existing premium product, such action won't cheapen the brand.
<< <i>Standard pricing is $9.95 per month. Or you can pay for 12 months in advance for $95.40 ($7.95 per month). >>
Figure out a way to incorporate a cost for this into your Platinum Club membership, and you will not only sell more subscriptions to the service, you will sell more Platinum Club memberships.
Because the substantial discount will be tied to an existing premium product, such action won't cheapen the brand. >>
The best part is how most varieties of each date - of every series I looked at, including colonials (!) - are listed, and beyond that, there are pictures of several grades of each variety (!!), recent auction records of each variety (!!!), population reports, narrative descriptions, and on and on. It's amazing - a world better than the old coinfacts.
I can already tell it's going to help me make better purchases as a collector, so it's well worth $10 per month. That said, I like the idea of bumping up the price of platinum membership a little, and include a year's subscription to this.
Folks, we've just witnessed the publication of by far the best US coin reference ever written.
Congratulations to PCGS! Seriously, great job, gentlemen!
Wow, when I went to the PCGS Price Guide today to click on the Auction Prices Realized feature to look up a coin I was really surprised that the information is no longer available but instead is now being sold for a monthly fee. Bummer!!!!!!!!!!
In looking at the new CoinFacts, the press release and website seems to indicate that the site has pricing history. I initially thought that meant that we'd see a price history of PCGS Guide prices and price changes in the PCGS Guide over the months/years... but in looking at the sample pages that doesn't seem to be the case. Is the advertised price history just the auction prices realized that used to be available w/o charge???
The best part is how most varieties of each date - of every series I looked at, including colonials (!) - are listed, and beyond that, there are pictures of several grades of each variety (!!), recent auction records of each variety (!!!), population reports, narrative descriptions, and on and on. It's amazing - a world better than the old coinfacts.
I can already tell it's going to help me make better purchases as a collector, so it's well worth $10 per month. That said, I like the idea of bumping up the price of platinum membership a little, and include a year's subscription to this.
Folks, we've just witnessed the publication of by far the best US coin reference ever written.
Congratulations to PCGS! Seriously, great job, gentlemen! >>
Had someone look for me, no variety informaton on my series. Sounds like it is good for most other though so I hope it works out for PCGS.
I've been converted to an enthusiastic subscriber. The ability to see on one page all auction examples of a given issue (including Goldberg and Bowers and Merena which I find their archives very difficult) is worth much more than the subscription price. Even though the site could be better count me in.
I am actually very disappointed that this is not part of a membership package, but more than that... Why such a loyal cadre of customers such as "Collectors Club" members not even given a 30 day free trial or some such thing goes way beyond dumb. What would the downside be to PCGS? Getting us addicted? Someone should have a talk with your marketing manager. Definitely asleep on this one.
<< <i>I am actually very disappointed that this is not part of a membership package, but more than that... Why such a loyal cadre of customers such as "Collectors Club" members not even given a 30 day free trial or some such thing goes way beyond dumb. What would the downside be to PCGS? Getting us addicted? Someone should have a talk with your marketing manager. Definitely asleep on this one. >>
I'm not enthusiastic about parting with $10 a month to subscribe. But I must admit, they've done a marvelous job improving the basic coin facts, which is the content that I am most interested in. The initial package offering though leaves a lot to be desired in my mind.
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Ok, Here goes, I might get bombarded here or worse, but oh well.
Wow, This is just too much!!! I just can't believe that a recognized TPG leader, would go to such an extreme to get more money from their customers.
Definitely shows their face... so what if the little guy spends a couple more bucks, their wallet will never miss it. Besides that the fact that so many already pay top dollar and membership fees for grading which usually only takes 2 or 3 times the get the PROPER GRADE. More bucks for the company, better for stockholders, ...NOT!
You guys can buy in to this, and pay for the service to slowly improve along the way, good luck. Me, I'll just go to specific websites for the info when I'm interested in finding something out, and their free. If it's not there I can ask the AVAILABLE SPECIALISTS or knowledgeable collectors, which are usually not only glad to help, but they know collector education is key to such market thriving.
And yes, expertly documented varieties of all denominations would need to be addressed, not just what PCGS attributes or what's the biggest or easiest to profit from. The indefinite wait for well known and commonly recognized varieties to be attributed by PCGS, is not customer oriented as well.
By the way, a great idea that's been around for... Ohhh, quiet a long time now, Historical CHARTS. Now that's something I could appreciate and be mighty useful.
<< <i>It seems that every possible step is being taken to nickel and dime the small collector. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Ok, Here goes, I might get bombarded here or worse, but oh well.
Wow, This is just too much!!! I just can't believe that a recognized TPG leader, would go to such an extreme to get more money from their customers.
Definitely shows their face... so what if the little guy spends a couple more bucks, their wallet will never miss it. Besides that the fact that so many already pay top dollar and membership fees for grading which usually only takes 2 or 3 times the get the PROPER GRADE. More bucks for the company, better for stockholders, ...NOT!
You guys can buy in to this, and pay for the service to slowly improve along the way, good luck. Me, I'll just go to specific websites for the info when I'm interested in finding something out, and their free. If it's not there I can ask the AVAILABLE SPECIALISTS or knowledgeable collectors, which are usually not only glad to help, but they know collector education is key to such market thriving.
And yes, expertly documented varieties of all denominations would need to be addressed, not just what PCGS attributes or what's the biggest or easiest to profit from. The indefinite wait for well known and commonly recognized varieties to be attributed by PCGS, is not customer oriented as well.
By the way, a great idea that's been around for... Ohhh, quiet a long time now, Historical CHARTS. Now that's something I could appreciate and be mighty useful. >>
The beauty of this coin forum is the diversity of opinions that are shared and the interesting dichotomies that are exhibited regarding different topics of discussion. My opinion on the above post is that it is misdirected and looking at this whole new coin research site from a very skewed position. I have signed up for the new CoinFacts for the year and I will renew it next year. The abundance of info right at my fingertips and all in one place is invaluable. Everything from the rarity scale to the prices realized to the example images, etc. etc. is put together in a way that is fun to navigate. I REALLY love the option of typing in the coin's PCGS # and the site taking me right to that coin for study.
Is the time and research that went into (and I'm sure will continue to go into) creating and maintaining this site worthless and not deserving of some recognition? I think ten bucks a month (or even less for the yearly) is a minuscule price to pay for anyone who wants to enrich their knowledge on the coins they love and become more familiar with what it will take to acquire them.
<< <i>It seems that every possible step is being taken to nickel and dime the small collector. Hopefully they won't start charging to look at the price list. >>
Last I heard, CU is a for-profit company, not a charitable foundation. Do you complain that Wal-Mart nickel and dimes the small consumer? After all, they makes billions of dollars every quarter doing so. How about your favorite coin dealer? They make 10-50% or more from your coin purchases. Couldn't they just sell them to you at cost (or even a small loss)?
Edit: There's a polite, constructive, and socially acceptable way to indicate that the service is "not for me" on CU's forum. Then, there are insulting, mean-spirited, and abrasive ways to do so. If I were the host, I would tell some of you to take a hike.
My take is that the service is a bit pricey but PCGS is moving ahead with it and thats that. You can either justify the price or choose not to subscribe. Perhaps the pricing will be adjusted according to how the "public" responds to the offering. I don;t know since its not my program.
What I do know is that many folks have used Coinfacts.com in the past and PCGS has simpy taken it in a new direction by offering uptodate information and some very nice high quality photographs. "Big" photographs as in Trueview without the backgrounds.
There are some areas which need work but you have to admit that this was a huge task to take on and I'm sure it cost a lot of money to undertake.
I'd advise folks to give the program a chance before getting too overly critical. It could become another mainstay for current and future coin collectors.
What I'd really like to see though, is a subscribers version which offers indepth analysis and a non-subscribers or "public" version which only offers the basics like what the old CoinFacts.com offered.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
1. Wouldn't it benefit the industry more if this service was offered free as a purchasing guide. Giving the buyer more information at their fingertips, streamlines the purchase (more impulse-type transactions).
and
2. How many smaller collectors would this turn away? This has surely been factored in.
I have used this information many times and love it. However, I'm not sure whether it's worth the price considering the amount of buying I do.
Perhaps an enterprising dealer will negotiate a deal with PCGS so the dealer can make complimentary memberships available to preferred customers.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
We have no plans to remove the old CoinFacts. Although it has not been updated in some time it continues to be available at no charge.
I've read a lot of knee jerk reactions to the new CoinFacts, actually more to the point, it's the fact that PCGS is now charging for this application. I think a lot of these opinions will change over time. Especially considering these posters haven't even seen it. The cost of CoinFacts is very low compared to everything else we spend our money on. You can spend hours and hours on CoinFacts going through different series, coins, varities, etc. And there is a very good chance that what is learned on CoinFacts could easily pay for the subscription.
The new CoinFacts is a unique application without competition. You will not find any other source which aggregates, organizes and analyzes information as does CoinFacts. That's the idea - putting all the information together helps you make an informed descision. It wasn't easy, or cheap, to do this, but we've always wanted to do this, plus we believed there was a sizeable market of those who would appreciate this offering. So far it seems we were right.
<<We have no plans to remove the old CoinFacts. Although it has not been updated in some time it continues to be available at no charge.
I've read a lot of knee jerk reactions to the new CoinFacts, actually more to the point, it's the fact that PCGS is now charging for this application. I think a lot of these opinions will change over time. Especially considering these posters haven't even seen it. The cost of CoinFacts is very low compared to everything else we spend our money on. You can spend hours and hours on CoinFacts going through different series, coins, varities, etc. And there is a very good chance that what is learned on CoinFacts could easily pay for the subscription.
The new CoinFacts is a unique application without competition. You will not find any other source which aggregates, organizes and analyzes information as does CoinFacts. That's the idea - putting all the information together helps you make an informed descision. It wasn't easy, or cheap, to do this, but we've always wanted to do this, plus we believed there was a sizeable market of those who would appreciate this offering. So far it seems we were right.>>
Very good to hear that the old coinfacts is not being removed! Thank you for not taking it away! With this free and the newer version payperview, collectors have several options and are not forced to pay to play. For some of us budget type collectors, this is great! I was, and am one of the kneejerk reaction guys. I was under the impression you were removing the old, free coinfacts. Thats not the case. I still see no need for myself to pay for this information, but I can see why others do. I have taken the tour, and think PCGS did a great job. Maybe one day if its offered to members as a package Ill try it out.
Either way, thank you for not removing the old coinfacts.
It's a bit under 8 bucks a month for a year's membership, or was for me. I like it already. Superb photos, pop and auction data. Plus it's brought to you by the folks who provide this wonderful forum for all to use.
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<< <i>There are five possibilities for the new service
1. Pay more for less
2. Pay more for more.
3. Pay the same for more
4. Pay less for less
5. Pay less for more
Why not replace the membership classifications
with the new service and include the free grading.
I do not believe that PCGS will be able to eat it's cake
at the same time keeping the cake intact. If a poll were
taken, I believe that it would sho interest in the new service
but overwhelming rejection of the double billing for membership
as well as the new service. >>
My feelings are that if folks continue to push for this in the CC Membership, where it should be included anyway, that the membership fees will rise for CC Membership accordingly thereby "requiring" all the join as CC members get this new, yet already free, infomation.
I knew that PCGS purchased CoinFacts.com a long time ago and never understood why they weren't updating the information on that site. I now know why but feel most assuredly that this endeavor may not generate its projected income level. Folks that used and relied on CoinFacts.com used it because it WAS free with only an OPTION to purchase a more concise CD.
For an inheritor of coins, the site will go nowhere since they can get this information from any reputable coin dealer.
For a newbie collector I imagine there are some possibilitie until they figure out the info is available elsewhere for free. Then they'll drop it like a hot potato!
For the dealer/investor, these folks are pennywise and I doubt they'll migrate to this site just for the pretty pictures.
With the initial announcement I heard me say a resounding "YES" and immediately went to the site. When I saw the SIGN UP and the $9.95 per month, I was sorely disappointed.
The site is simply not worth $9.95 a month to me. Others may feel it is but thats their call.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>For nearly $120 I would expect an actual bound book, not a year's worth of online access. Bad move. Especially if the subscribers have to see ads. >>
Dang! I forgot about the ads!~
The name is LEE!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Camelot
<< <i>I don't feel so platinum. >>
You need to upgrade to the Diamond Level™.
more precious then gold or platinum.
Camelot
As good as it is, we are constantly updating the site as populations change, coins are sold at auction, as we image more and more important coins, and new knowledge is acquired. The new CoinFacts is a tremendous value, in my humble, highly biased opinion.
President
PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins
www.CoinFacts.com
A monthly price of $9.95 as you have.
An annual price of $84.00 (Charge the credit card once a year) which is an effective $7 per monthy.
Possibly a reduced quartely fee as well?
Just ideas for you guys to mull over.
EDITED TO ADD:
<< <i>Standard pricing is $9.95 per month. Or you can pay for 12 months in advance for $95.40 ($7.95 per month). >>
Thanks for the additional info! I did not see that.
<< <i>Seems like this kind of thing should be part of the Collectors Club Platinum Membership that I already paid for. >>
It could replace the coin magazine we no longer get.
<< <i>I still dont get why you need a membership/fees to submit coins to be slabbed. >>
<< <i>The Condition Census is a work-in-progress and should be used as a guide only. While every effort is made to be as accurate as possible, errors and omissions may occur. Buyers or sellers of a particular coins should do their own research to determine the relative importance of that coin. PCGS welcomes the input of knowledgeable collectors and dealers to help improve the Condition Census listings.
As a dealer that at least a few collectors consider to be "knowledgeable", why should I provide accurate condition census info for free so that it can be resold by another party? I'm not trying to be a pest, and this question is open to anyone. >>
But why bundle the old CoinFacts with this stuff?
I wish Mr. Willis and the denizens of CLCT the best of luck. But I won't become a willing participant any time soon.
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<< <i>For those of you on the fence about the new CoinFacts -- I built the old CoinFacts and I've been working on the new CoinFacts with outside experts and our own team of IT professionals and numismatists. There is no comparison between the two. The new CoinFacts kills the old.
As good as it is, we are constantly updating the site as populations change, coins are sold at auction, as we image more and more important coins, and new knowledge is acquired. The new CoinFacts is a tremendous value, in my humble, highly biased opinion. >>
Really nice job Ron. It's great to have that much information on a single page.
I would have to look at several sites to gain that same information.
I thought I'd try it for a month but cannot get past the "Create Account & Continue Checkout".
Firefox works fine but I'm kinda wondering if I'll be limited to only using the site through Firefox or IE7?
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I looked at the "sample" pages with IE 8. No problems here. >>
Me too but I could not "register".
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I looked at the "sample" pages with IE 8. No problems here. >>
Me too but I could not "register". >>
Did you try login in with your CU id and then going in and just add payment?
I already had an account from something in the past so just had hit the forgot password button to have it sent to me.
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working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
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<< <i>
<< <i>I looked at the "sample" pages with IE 8. No problems here. >>
Me too but I could not "register". >>
Did you try login in with your CU id and then going in and just add payment? >>
Yes but was informed that the account was not authorized to use the site.
Check that, I got in.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Standard pricing is $9.95 per month. Or you can pay for 12 months in advance for $95.40 ($7.95 per month). >>
Figure out a way to incorporate a cost for this into your Platinum Club membership, and you will not only sell more subscriptions to the service, you will sell more Platinum Club memberships.
Because the substantial discount will be tied to an existing premium product, such action won't cheapen the brand.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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<< <i>Standard pricing is $9.95 per month. Or you can pay for 12 months in advance for $95.40 ($7.95 per month). >>
Figure out a way to incorporate a cost for this into your Platinum Club membership, and you will not only sell more subscriptions to the service, you will sell more Platinum Club memberships.
Because the substantial discount will be tied to an existing premium product, such action won't cheapen the brand. >>
Edit:
I didn't see the $95.40/year in advance. Make that 7+ ounces of silver/year.
<< <i>$120 (9.95/month) a year is too steep. That's the equivalent of almost 9 Ounces of silver a year to look.
Edit:
I didn't see the $95.40/year in advance. Make that 7+ ounces of silver/year. >>
Seven ounces of silver vs. Tons of ounces of knowledge & info.... which one weighs more???
I think it's a great service and definitely worth it.
The best part is how most varieties of each date - of every series I looked at, including colonials (!) - are listed, and beyond that, there are pictures of several grades of each variety (!!), recent auction records of each variety (!!!), population reports, narrative descriptions, and on and on. It's amazing - a world better than the old coinfacts.
I can already tell it's going to help me make better purchases as a collector, so it's well worth $10 per month. That said, I like the idea of bumping up the price of platinum membership a little, and include a year's subscription to this.
Folks, we've just witnessed the publication of by far the best US coin reference ever written.
Congratulations to PCGS! Seriously, great job, gentlemen!
But it would be nice if it were bundled with the PCGS membership, or if PCGS membership allowed you some discount.
In looking at the new CoinFacts, the press release and website seems to indicate that the site has pricing history. I initially thought that meant that we'd see a price history of PCGS Guide prices and price changes in the PCGS Guide over the months/years... but in looking at the sample pages that doesn't seem to be the case. Is the advertised price history just the auction prices realized that used to be available w/o charge???
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<< <i>I signed up and I love it!
The best part is how most varieties of each date - of every series I looked at, including colonials (!) - are listed, and beyond that, there are pictures of several grades of each variety (!!), recent auction records of each variety (!!!), population reports, narrative descriptions, and on and on. It's amazing - a world better than the old coinfacts.
I can already tell it's going to help me make better purchases as a collector, so it's well worth $10 per month. That said, I like the idea of bumping up the price of platinum membership a little, and include a year's subscription to this.
Folks, we've just witnessed the publication of by far the best US coin reference ever written.
Congratulations to PCGS! Seriously, great job, gentlemen! >>
Had someone look for me, no variety informaton on my series. Sounds like it is good for most other though so I hope it works out for PCGS.
Who is John Galt?
<< <i>I am actually very disappointed that this is not part of a membership package, but more than that... Why such a loyal cadre of customers such as "Collectors Club" members not even given a 30 day free trial or some such thing goes way beyond dumb. What would the downside be to PCGS? Getting us addicted? Someone should have a talk with your marketing manager. Definitely asleep on this one. >>
I'm not enthusiastic about parting with $10 a month to subscribe. But I must admit, they've done a marvelous job improving the basic coin facts, which is the content that I am most interested in. The initial package offering though leaves a lot to be desired in my mind.
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Wow, This is just too much!!! I just can't believe that a recognized TPG leader, would go to such an extreme to get more money from their customers.
Definitely shows their face... so what if the little guy spends a couple more bucks, their wallet will never miss it. Besides that the fact that so many already pay top dollar and membership fees for grading which usually only takes 2 or 3 times the get the PROPER GRADE. More bucks for the company, better for stockholders, ...NOT!
You guys can buy in to this, and pay for the service to slowly improve along the way, good luck. Me, I'll just go to specific websites for the info when I'm interested in finding something out, and their free. If it's not there I can ask the AVAILABLE SPECIALISTS or knowledgeable collectors, which are usually not only glad to help, but they know collector education is key to such market thriving.
And yes, expertly documented varieties of all denominations would need to be addressed, not just what PCGS attributes or what's the biggest or easiest to profit from. The indefinite wait for well known and commonly recognized varieties to be attributed by PCGS, is not customer oriented as well.
By the way, a great idea that's been around for... Ohhh, quiet a long time now, Historical CHARTS. Now that's something I could appreciate and be mighty useful.
<< <i>It seems that every possible step is being taken to nickel and dime the small collector.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Ok, Here goes, I might get bombarded here or worse, but oh well.
Wow, This is just too much!!! I just can't believe that a recognized TPG leader, would go to such an extreme to get more money from their customers.
Definitely shows their face... so what if the little guy spends a couple more bucks, their wallet will never miss it. Besides that the fact that so many already pay top dollar and membership fees for grading which usually only takes 2 or 3 times the get the PROPER GRADE. More bucks for the company, better for stockholders, ...NOT!
You guys can buy in to this, and pay for the service to slowly improve along the way, good luck. Me, I'll just go to specific websites for the info when I'm interested in finding something out, and their free. If it's not there I can ask the AVAILABLE SPECIALISTS or knowledgeable collectors, which are usually not only glad to help, but they know collector education is key to such market thriving.
And yes, expertly documented varieties of all denominations would need to be addressed, not just what PCGS attributes or what's the biggest or easiest to profit from. The indefinite wait for well known and commonly recognized varieties to be attributed by PCGS, is not customer oriented as well.
By the way, a great idea that's been around for... Ohhh, quiet a long time now, Historical CHARTS. Now that's something I could appreciate and be mighty useful. >>
The beauty of this coin forum is the diversity of opinions that are shared and the interesting dichotomies that are exhibited regarding different topics of discussion. My opinion on the above post is that it is misdirected and looking at this whole new coin research site from a very skewed position. I have signed up for the new CoinFacts for the year and I will renew it next year. The abundance of info right at my fingertips and all in one place is invaluable. Everything from the rarity scale to the prices realized to the example images, etc. etc. is put together in a way that is fun to navigate. I REALLY love the option of typing in the coin's PCGS # and the site taking me right to that coin for study.
Is the time and research that went into (and I'm sure will continue to go into) creating and maintaining this site worthless and not deserving of some recognition? I think ten bucks a month (or even less for the yearly) is a minuscule price to pay for anyone who wants to enrich their knowledge on the coins they love and become more familiar with what it will take to acquire them.
<< <i>It seems that every possible step is being taken to nickel and dime the small collector. Hopefully they won't start charging to look at the price list.
Last I heard, CU is a for-profit company, not a charitable foundation. Do you complain that Wal-Mart nickel and dimes the small consumer? After all, they makes billions of dollars every quarter doing so. How about your favorite coin dealer? They make 10-50% or more from your coin purchases. Couldn't they just sell them to you at cost (or even a small loss)?
Edit: There's a polite, constructive, and socially acceptable way to indicate that the service is "not for me" on CU's forum. Then, there are insulting, mean-spirited, and abrasive ways to do so. If I were the host, I would tell some of you to take a hike.
What I do know is that many folks have used Coinfacts.com in the past and PCGS has simpy taken it in a new direction by offering uptodate information and some very nice high quality photographs. "Big" photographs as in Trueview without the backgrounds.
There are some areas which need work but you have to admit that this was a huge task to take on and I'm sure it cost a lot of money to undertake.
I'd advise folks to give the program a chance before getting too overly critical. It could become another mainstay for current and future coin collectors.
What I'd really like to see though, is a subscribers version which offers indepth analysis and a non-subscribers or "public" version which only offers the basics like what the old CoinFacts.com offered.
The name is LEE!
1. Wouldn't it benefit the industry more if this service was offered free as a purchasing guide. Giving the buyer more information at their fingertips, streamlines the purchase (more impulse-type transactions).
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2. How many smaller collectors would this turn away? This has surely been factored in.
I have used this information many times and love it. However, I'm not sure whether it's worth the price considering the amount of buying I do.
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New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
I've read a lot of knee jerk reactions to the new CoinFacts, actually more to the point, it's the fact that PCGS is now charging for this application. I think a lot of these opinions will change over time. Especially considering these posters haven't even seen it. The cost of CoinFacts is very low compared to everything else we spend our money on. You can spend hours and hours on CoinFacts going through different series, coins, varities, etc. And there is a very good chance that what is learned on CoinFacts could easily pay for the subscription.
The new CoinFacts is a unique application without competition. You will not find any other source which aggregates, organizes and analyzes information as does CoinFacts. That's the idea - putting all the information together helps you make an informed descision. It wasn't easy, or cheap, to do this, but we've always wanted to do this, plus we believed there was a sizeable market of those who would appreciate this offering. So far it seems we were right.
I've read a lot of knee jerk reactions to the new CoinFacts, actually more to the point, it's the fact that PCGS is now charging for this application. I think a lot of these opinions will change over time. Especially considering these posters haven't even seen it. The cost of CoinFacts is very low compared to everything else we spend our money on. You can spend hours and hours on CoinFacts going through different series, coins, varities, etc. And there is a very good chance that what is learned on CoinFacts could easily pay for the subscription.
The new CoinFacts is a unique application without competition. You will not find any other source which aggregates, organizes and analyzes information as does CoinFacts. That's the idea - putting all the information together helps you make an informed descision. It wasn't easy, or cheap, to do this, but we've always wanted to do this, plus we believed there was a sizeable market of those who would appreciate this offering. So far it seems we were right.>>
Very good to hear that the old coinfacts is not being removed! Thank you for not taking it away!
With this free and the newer version payperview, collectors have several options and are not forced to pay to play. For some of us budget type collectors, this is great!
I was, and am one of the kneejerk reaction guys. I was under the impression you were removing the old, free coinfacts. Thats not the case. I still see no need for myself to pay for this information, but I can see why others do. I have taken the tour, and think PCGS did a great job. Maybe one day if its offered to members as a package Ill try it out.
Either way, thank you for not removing the old coinfacts.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
That is absolutely not true. Everyone pays the same price.
PM me and tell me where you heard that.
Or else no submissions for you!!!