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JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭
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feel a need to tone a coin by artificial means.
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Because most people can't.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭


    << <i>Because most people can't. >>



    Good one
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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    these people likely weren't breast fed as babies....their brains missed essential nutrients



  • stinkinlincolnstinkinlincoln Posts: 2,733 ✭
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    Why do some feel the need to remove the originality of coins with a good ole dip?



  • stinkinlincolnstinkinlincoln Posts: 2,733 ✭
    <<these people likely weren't breast fed as babies....their brains missed essential nutrients>>


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  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭


    << <i>these people likely weren't breast fed as babies....their brains missed essential nutrients >>



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    I couldnt have said it better.
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  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭


    << <i>feel a need to tone a coin by artificial means. >>




    It's generally know as greed and/or idiocy
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>feel a need to tone a coin by artificial means. >>



    The question should be----Why do some people pay a big premium for colorful toning?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭


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    << <i>feel a need to tone a coin by artificial means. >>



    The question should be----Why do people pay a big premium for colorful toning? >>



    Can you change that to "some people" because not everyone does
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>feel a need to tone a coin by artificial means. >>



    The question should be----Why do people pay a big premium for colorful toning? >>



    Can you change that to "some people" because not everyone does >>



    Agree. Change made.



    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I pay a premium for colorful toned Walkers and commem's and have no second thoughts doing so. To thine ownself be true....I simply love them......MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    I think it is a combination of greed, the challenge of trying to get away with something and ego. Unethical people who think they are talented artists get caught up in it, I think. I know a couple of years back when I did a bunch of AT experiments for educational purposes it was quite fun and seductive to try and get a technique going where you could produce something attractive in a controlled manor. I made educational AT displays for my coin club and ended up having a lot of old time coin folks complimenting me left and right. I imagine if I did it in secret and was able to fool people and I was a small time dealer it would have been addictingly fun to sell them and/or to try and get them slabbed. I never did that though, but then I am just a collector and had fun doing it for educational purposes.
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  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I expect because it is a skill, like all others.

    The difference is that it intrudes on an activity (coin collecting) that relies on (occasionally informed) trust.

    I expect that some get a rush and a sense of power from the process of making a coin look like it's been naturally toned. They find themselves to be so skilled, so knowledgeable, so technically capable, so informed that they can fool the Guardians at the Door, the grading services. Maybe it isn't even as pleasureable to dupe the novice on Ebay. But, hey. Caveat emptor. They'll take it.

    Some people enjoy life within the broad latitudes of the rules. If the rules get too limiting, well then they stop playing. Others, however, apparently live their lives pressing the rules, and find the rush too powerful for their sense of civic responsibility to resist.

    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



  • commoncents123commoncents123 Posts: 2,648 ✭
    I don't understand "artificial means"?
  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭


    << <i>I don't understand "artificial means"? >>



    Meaning not naturally
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    A number of reasons...

    1) they can make coin grade higher and make money
    2) they can make their coins look much better (if done properly)
    3) they have fun doing it


    People shouldn't hate coin doctors who do a good job. People who have tremendous experience can turn an ordinary coin into an absolute masterpiece, or make a stripped and ruined coin much more pleasant to look at. You should hate the sloppy, novice coin doctors who do lousy jobs and screw up coins.
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    "these people likely weren't breast fed as babies...."


    this reminds me of the bumper sticker, "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could."

    we've been catching up... image
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So if we put a coin in a Dansco we know it will tone so is that artificial toneing and we will all need to pull are coins from that cardboard sleeve from the mint set in the 50's becuse we know it will tone are coins and you dont want to be called a doctor. image

    Call me a doctor I wont do it. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Because when you see a whole album full of white or RD copper coins they all start to look the same and it's time for change?

    When you have over 100 blast white Morgans and you wonder why you collect them?

    Life needs color. image, although I have seen few AT colors I like. I really like the slow brewed 100 years + in the making color.
  • oxy8890oxy8890 Posts: 1,416 ✭


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    << <i>these people likely weren't breast fed as babies....their brains missed essential nutrients >>



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    I couldnt have said it better. >>



    or they were breast fed by a crack mom!image
    Best Regards,

    Rob


    "Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where's Manofcoins? I'd like to hear his thoughts on this issue.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • AndyMacAndyMac Posts: 194 ✭
    It's the first step towards becoming a Chinese citizen. Prove that you are worthy and the next step is minting copies of our coins.
    Andy
  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭


    << <i>Where's Manofcoins? I'd like to hear his thoughts on this issue.image >>



    Why is that. Does he know something about toning coins?
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Where's Manofcoins? I'd like to hear his thoughts on this issue.image >>



    Why is that. Does he know something about toning coins? >>



    He was caught by a forum member ATing coins in PCGS slabs and I'd like to hear what his reason was for doing it.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034 ✭
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  • seatedcollectorseatedcollector Posts: 976 ✭
    could possibly be that when a person spends his/her money on a coin, they feel it is thier own to do whatever they want with it. so what if a person tones thier coins or polishes them or dips them or sets them on the railroad track ?? it has no effect on my coins so i guess i could care less.
  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Where's Manofcoins? I'd like to hear his thoughts on this issue.image >>



    Why is that. Does he know something about toning coins? >>



    He was caught by a forum member ATing coins in PCGS slabs and I'd like to hear what his reason was for doing it. >>



    Well I guess that was before my time and I would also like to know about it also from him.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are two prime reasons for toning a coin.

    The first reason is make big bucks by selling their successful toning experiments to those who are obsessed with toned coins. Unfortunately for some critically challenged people these toned coins don’t even have to be attractive. All they have to be is darker than normal.

    The second reason is legitimate. A few coins have been ruined by cleaning, and retoning can sometimes restore part of their value.

    Years ago I owned what once was one of the finest known examples of the 1806 small 6, stems half cent (the more common of the two varieties). The coin had a great pedigree. It was the discovery specimen of the variety, and traced ownership dated back to 1887. It graded AU-58 and had Proof-like luster. The sad part was that some yo-yo decided to clean it, which virtually ruined it. Fortunately a “coin doctor” was able to restore a decent looking tone to the piece which made it presentable. It also probably helped to preserve the piece is cleaned exposed copper can sometimes do some bad things. In this instance the retoning was not a bad thing.

    This coin is listed in Walter Breen’s Half Cent Encyclopedia as the #2 condition census variety for Breen variety 1-A, a.k.a. Cohen 2.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?

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