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scoutsout47scoutsout47 Posts: 520 ✭✭
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Of the first five players to be inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1936 (Cobb, Ruth, Wagner, Mathewson and the Big Train), is there any one vintage set that features all of them? My understanding is that the only real playing overlap was from 1914 to 1916.
Always looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks in a uniform PSA 3 (NQ)

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  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    1961 Fleer considered "vintage"?
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭
    calling FKW, FKW you have a phone call at the front desk.

    Edited to add
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  • scoutsout47scoutsout47 Posts: 520 ✭✭
    Yeah, Bill, I think that would be considered vintage. What about a niche set from 1914 -16? By the way, Vito, let me know when Mr. Ward returns your call.

    Edited to add: I love that stupid movie....lol. Shhhhhhhhh, I'm listening to reason.
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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, Bill, I think that would be considered vintage. What about a niche set from 1914 -16? By the way, Vito, let me know when Mr. Ward returns your call.

    Edited to add: I love that stupid movie....lol. Shhhhhhhhh, I'm listening to reason. >>



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  • bigwillibigwilli Posts: 910
    I dont think there is a set with all of them......

    The 1914 Piedmont Stamps set has all except Ruth

    The 1915 Sporting News M-101-5 has all except Mathewson
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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭
    The more I keep thinking about this, I think only late 1914 thru 1916 did all their careers actually intersect. Mathewson was hit with shrapnel fighting in WWI and never pitched after 1916 and Ruth wasn't brought up to Boston until late 1914. So that surely would limit the possibilities.

    Wagner played: 1897-1917
    Ruth: 1914-1935
    Mathewson: 1900-1916
    Cobb: 1905-1928
    W. Johnson: 1907-1927
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  • bigwillibigwilli Posts: 910
    Mathewson did not take shrapnel , he inhaled poisonous gasses from a training excerise and ended coming back to the states with a
    terrible wheezing cough....Cobb was there with him in the excercises

    It seems that there are no sets with all five of them........4 out of the 5 is all i can find .
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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭
    You're right. Sorry, got my you know what mixed up. image
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  • bigwillibigwilli Posts: 910
    That ok , facts to get mixed up all the time.......Heres another

    Why is Johnny Bench considered the greatest catcher of all time ?

    Has anyone ever looked very closely to the stats of one Lawrence Peter Berra( the best of all time)

    3 mvp awards
    caught 3 no-hitters
    better batting avg.
    more rbi's with fewer at-bats
    more total runs scored

    sorry for the rant.....image
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That ok , facts to get mixed up all the time.......Heres another

    Why is Johnny Bench considered the greatest catcher of all time ?

    Has anyone ever looked very closely to the stats of one Lawrence Peter Berra( the best of all time)

    3 mvp awards
    caught 3 no-hitters
    better batting avg.
    more rbi's with fewer at-bats
    more total runs scored

    sorry for the rant.....

    Offensively, they are on equal footing...the most telling stats to compare the two...OB%, OPS, and adjusted OPS+ are very close:

    OBP%

    Bench .342
    Berra 348

    SLG%

    Bench .476
    Berra .482

    OPS

    Bench .817
    Berra .830

    OPS+

    Bench 126
    Berra 125

    HR

    Bench 389
    Berra 358


    Defensively, though, I have to give the edge to Bench..


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  • IchiroDeportedIchiroDeported Posts: 1,610 ✭
    RE: Bench, a better defensive catcher and he pioneered the one handed catching style. Better arm than Berra, better athlete.
  • bigwillibigwilli Posts: 910
    Who says you need to be an athlete to play baseball , Just ask Manny , he cant even catch a baseball , but damn can he hit...image
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who says you need to be an athlete to play baseball , Just ask Manny , he cant even catch a baseball , but damn can he hit...

    Sure, Manny can hit, but no one is comparing him to Willie Mays, either, LOL...

    Edit: Bench was also just as good a hitter as Berra, also....


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  • bigwillibigwilli Posts: 910
    Berra became a pretty good defensive catcher . He called his own game and pitchers never shook him off . Plus
    his overall contribution to his team.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree Berra was a great catcher, no question about it, just that Bench was better overall, and the numbers show that..


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  • bigwillibigwilli Posts: 910
    You have your opinion , I have mine , its kinda nice to have a debate without people getting bent out of shape...image


    Maybe im partial to Yogi cause i just got done with his book . However , i dont think you could go wrong with either
    of them on your team in their prime
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Berra also played left field.


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  • bigwillibigwilli Posts: 910
    Yes , and he was better then Manny out there too , but not by much...image

    Good thing he had Joe D. out there . It wasnt always pretty watching him run down balls with those short legs..image
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  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    Oh, and the other stat that doesn't show up....

    Yogi - super nice guy, signs autographs, great sense of humor, a class act all the way.

    Bench - not so much
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  • bxbbxb Posts: 805 ✭✭
    1950 Callahan is the first set I can think of that has all 5 of them.
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  • scoutsout47scoutsout47 Posts: 520 ✭✭
    Right, and I think that Callahan set was featured in the SMR several months ago, wasn't it
    Always looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks in a uniform PSA 3 (NQ)

    psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset.aspx?s=223023&ac=1
  • bxbbxb Posts: 805 ✭✭
    Right, the June 2008 issue.

    There also is a decent review on ebay.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, and the other stat that doesn't show up....

    Yogi - super nice guy, signs autographs, great sense of humor, a class act all the way.

    Bench - not so much

    You must hate Ty Cobb then, LOL...


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