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Is this PVC, or something else? **Updated**

kazkaz Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
When I started collecting, all of 3 years ago, I was attracted to the shiny, multipage ads in CW et.al. (See where this is going?image)
Among my early purchases were 1932-s and 1932-d quarters, both "BU" but at AU Prices!! What a deal!! Wary of being sold fakes, I sent them off to ICG (the old ICG in CO., at that time fairly picky and refusing to slab problem coins). The 1932-s came back as AU53, the 32-d as AU55, and thus I was introduced to the numismatic term "slider." Three years later, I decided to take the coins out of the SDB to photograph them. Now, the 32-d looks fine, but the 32-s has some milky spots on it that I don't recall being there initially. Do you think I'm just seeing a dip gone bad, or PVC? Nothing green at all, but the spots are sort of milky-gray. I cannot see any corrosion into the metal. Thanks for your opinions, my friends.

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  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
    Haze?image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Puttied?

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  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220
    Nice coin.. can it be dip to rid the haze?image
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Threads sink fast around here on the weekend, I'll give a bump in search of other opinions. (and, thanks for the PM, Keets!)
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    That doesn't appear to be PVC, but I would try acetone on it. If that doesn't work, try MS70.
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe it is PVC or something similar, and that acetone or MS70 will safely remove it.
    From my experience, PVC starts out as a milky haze like this, and turns greenish and 'goopy' over a period of time, depending on qty of PVC in the holder, ambient conditions, etc.
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks. I have heard of acetone working for 'milk spots' on proofs, and I have used it to take off PVC. I know it won't hurt the surface. What is MS70, exactly? I have heard it is a detergent, not an acid, so should be safe.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS70 label says in large letters "Contains No Acids", small letters says 'contains strong cleaners' whatever that is, but no formulation info. It does not attack or remove metal. I prefer it over acetone myself, but others may feel differently. The only drawback, if you want to call it that, is that on high grade copper coins, it will leave a lusterous bluish tint, easily subdued with Blue Ribbon if you don't want it.
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  • PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    Pretty certain it's PVC and acetone would be the way to go on it. A nice overnight soaking should take care of it and confirm if it is PVC.
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK, I'll crack it out and try acetone, since there is no downside to that. Next question: what's the simplest way to crack out one of those ICG slabs? I just have basic hand tools. Thanks again for all the help!
  • Not sure whats going on with them, But I feel I must add, DIPPING IS DOCTORING!!!!!!image
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And using acetone is conservation.image
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not sure that this white is PVC at all. It can be oxidation to the topmost surface of the coin. My prediction (and I hope it is NOT true) is that acetone will not appreciably improve this problem.

    There are at least a couple of possibilities as to how it got that way - the cleaning agent that the original dealer used may have left a slight residual on the surface to slowly react and eventually caused oxidation giving the white appearance. Secondly, these TPG holders are NOT airtight and environmental substances in gaseous form can penetrate the holder and cause such problems; finally the holder itself may break down and cause some oxidation.

    Dip may have the ability to "clean" the surface by eating a bit more of it away but then the metal may be a bit raw and subject to develop a new "skin", sometimes not so desirable...
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Last night I decided to crack it out, since I had never done this before, I was a little nervous. I wrapped a cloth around the slab and stood it on edge on the cement floor of the basement, and proceeded to apply sharp raps to the edge of the holder with a heavy masonry chisel I have (using the handle, not the edge, to strike the slab) Plastic shards flew as the holder started to come apart (note to self: eye protection!) and finally the bottom part with the coin loosened up and I could easily remove the coin unharmed, still in its heavy silicone rubber "nest." Then, into a bath of acetone overnight in a covered glass dish. Here is what I found this morning:

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    The spots are gone! I can't see any damage to the surfaces beyond the circulation marks! I suspect it was residue from a previous dip that had not been rinsed off, as the dealer I bought it from is well known for his bright "BU" coins. All's well that ends well. It's also a good idea, I believe, to take a close look at your coins from time to time, in order to pickup on developing problems and deal with them. Had I not decided to photograph my collection, it would have remained in the sdb, silently stewing and turning into Lord knows what. Thanks again to all those who offered assistance and helpful observations. Kaz
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, nice result and glad it was not more serious. Now don't laugh but is it time for Taco Bell (napkin)? Seriously, this coin will be looking for a new skin and oxidation of some sort....
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I'll just leave it in a manila envelope, rather than an Intercept Shield holder, and see what happens.

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