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3,000 hit countdown Jeter / Griffey ..... and even Ivan ???

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Derek Jeter - 353 to go. image and barring a catastrophe will be the only Yankee to reach 3,000.

If he stays 100% healthy and only misses a handful of games to rest he has an OUTSIDE shot at reaching 3,000 very late next season. The safe bet is sometime in the first half of the 2011 season.

Also, Ken Griffey Jr - 268 to go. Will he last?

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    Bottom9thBottom9th Posts: 2,695 ✭✭
    I think Jeter is a no brainer. I would love to see Griffey make it but who knows if he can last. Imagine what his stats would have been if he remained healthy?
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My feeling is that Griffey is likely to retire at the end of this season. He won't get to 3,000 is any case.


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    jay0791jay0791 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭✭
    I really would like to see the kid become another 500/3000 player. Probably not as his career is winding down fast. Jeter will long surpass 3000. Both are easy HOFERS. Both without controversy and both cherished by fans and media. Very refreshing these days.
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    jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My feeling is that Griffey is likely to retire at the end of this season. He won't get to 3,000 is any case. >>



    I would be very very surprised if he doesn't hang on another 2 to 3 seasons.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << My feeling is that Griffey is likely to retire at the end of this season. He won't get to 3,000 is any case. >>



    I would be very very surprised if he doesn't hang on another 2 to 3 seasons.

    He's already discussed the possibility of retiring after this season, and he's struggled mightily at the plate this season even though he's hit cleanup a lot of the time (only 27 RBI, .219 BA and .392 SLG% in 72 games)...no way he plays another 3 seasons, you can book it.

    I am a Griffey fan, and believe he was hands down the best player of the 1990s and is a first ballot lock for the HOF, but I've seen many HOFers hang on past their period of effectiveness and Junior is right at that point right now.


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    HoopsterHoopster Posts: 1,169
    Griffey looks extremely finished right now.

    I said a couple of years ago that Jeter had an outside shot at Rose's hit record, and that Arod was on Steroids. I was right about Arod.

    I have this feeling that Jeter is going to try for the record. He is having a very nice season, again.

    With another 100 hits this year, he is at 2,747 at age 35.

    I could see him averaging 190 hits for the next four years(age 36-39), and that would put him at 3,507.

    Then he plays the season where he turns 40 years old in June. He would have to average 187.25 hits at age 40,41,42, and 43 to get it. WHich would be very tough...but if he hung on for two more seasons(age 44 and 45), OR if he averaged 198 hits from age 36-39, it could be interesting.

    His legacy is high already, but my goodness, everybody in the Bronx would have erections the size of Paul Bunyon if Jeter got the hit record.
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    jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭
    I really can't see Jeter hanging on into his mid-40s to try and get the record. We are discounting the possibilty of injury too. I used to think he had a shot at Rose, but I don't think so anymore. The bigger question I have is with Arod and Tex at 3B/1B for the forseeable future, where do they move Jeter when the last bit of range he has left is gone? Something NY has to think about a few years down the road.
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I'm thinking Jeter is done at 3,500.


    Pretty good for a so called most over rated player.


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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm thinking Jeter is done at 3,500.


    Pretty good for a so called most over rated player.


    Steve >>



    3,500 hits would put Jeter at # 6 all time. Behind the likes of Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, and Tris Speaker.
    Not shabby company at all. Speaker is at 3514 so it is quite possible Derek will be in the top 5 leaderboard when all is done.

    And just for the fun of it, Jeter is right now at #69 on the hit list.

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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    351 to go for Jeter
    Griffey still on 268

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    JackWESQJackWESQ Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If he stays 100% healthy and only misses a handful of games to rest he has an OUTSIDE shot at reaching 3,000 very late next season. >>


    351 hits in 232 games? No way on earth that is going to happen. Jeter will get his 3000 hits, but not until 2011.

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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If he stays 100% healthy and only misses a handful of games to rest he has an OUTSIDE shot at reaching 3,000 very late next season. >>


    351 hits in 232 games? No way on earth that is going to happen. Jeter will get his 3000 hits, but not until 2011.

    /s/ JackWESQ >>



    Yeah, I didn't spend more then 30 seconds on the math. I figured another 100 hits this season if all goes great and then a bit over 200 next season if all goes great. So, if he plays pretty much every day as I stated earlier he will be 40 or 50 short at the end of next season. BUT, its not like I tried to explain that he has a good shot at 3000 come next October. image

    I say June of 2011 is a good bet image

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    baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭
    i would like to see them both get 3000
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeter down to 350
    Griffey down to 267

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    markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭
    Here is a link to what Bill James calls his "favorite toy". It gives the chances (based upon the programming) of a player reaching certain goals.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/assessments
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Some here do not care what Bill james has to say.


    You may worship at the James alter (and that is fine) some here do not.


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    Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,234 ✭✭✭✭
    Griffey has no chance.
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    RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Jeter ain't getting close to 4256 and Griffey ain't getting 3000.
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    349 to go for Jeter
    267 to go for Griffey

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Junior will hang it up this year. What a career!

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    jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭
    Yup greatest centerfielder to ever play the game. Nope he will not hang them up this year.
    Maybe next but I would imagine he is going to let everyone know ahead of time?
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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    IchiroDeportedIchiroDeported Posts: 1,610 ✭
    Griffey is done after this season and Jeter will never break Rose's record. He has an outside chance at 4000 if he stays very healthy and has productive old man years.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really don't think Grif will play next year, his body language and statements of late hint retirement...he is finished now anyway and should retire...at most he will play one more year for a swan song, but no way he gets to 3,000 hits...M's got to do better for cleanup option than Griffey at this point, much as I loved Griffey as a player.


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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeter 3 hits tonight. Passes The Splendid Splinter Ted Williams on the all time list.

    Jeter down to 346
    Griffey not in the lineup and still at 267

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    jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭
    Down to 264 for Griffeyimage
    Down to 339 for Jeter
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    ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Waiting for Griffey to reach 3,000 hits would be like leaving the porch light on for Amelia Earhart to come home.
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    jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭
    Down to 260 for Griffey
    Down to 331 for Jeter
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great week sees Jeter knock off 11 more.
    Jeter down to 320
    Griffey still at 260

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    DaBeefDaBeef Posts: 2,478
    Jr has been playing well of late, Im surprised he isnt getting the AB's...
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    DaBeefDaBeef Posts: 2,478
    Game winning hit with 2 outs in the 14th, as a pinch hitter. JR still has some fuel left in that ole tank! Awesome!
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    jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭
    Down to 254 for Griffey
    Down to 318 for Jeter
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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hate to say this, but Junior looks older every day. I sure hope he hangs it up. It's time, Jr. It's time.

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    DaBeefDaBeef Posts: 2,478
    He has actually been hitting good of late... But yeah he IS old, hello...
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeter is on a tear!

    Down to 295 for Derek
    Griffey Jr. down to 249

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    jamesgotpoormanjamesgotpoorman Posts: 1,682


    << <i>Waiting for Griffey to reach 3,000 hits would be like leaving the porch light on for Amelia Earhart to come home. >>

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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeter marches on ..... down to 282 to go for 3,000.
    4 short of the Iron Horse
    15 shy of jumping into the top 50 all time

    Griffey on hold at 249 to go with a barking knee.

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    PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    Griffey as the greatest centerfielder of all time? Better than Willie Mays or Ty Cobb? Hmmmmm... I dunno about that.

    Now here's a question for you. Let's just say that Jeter plays five more years and finishes somewhere in the neighborhood of 3500 hits with a lifetime batting average of .315-.320 and wins another World Series or two. Any chance he eclipses Seaver for highest percentage of HOF votes?
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    jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm thinking Jeter is done at 3,500.


    Pretty good for a so called most over rated player.


    Steve >>



    3,500 hits would put Jeter at # 6 all time. Behind the likes of Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, and Tris Speaker.
    Not shabby company at all. Speaker is at 3514 so it is quite possible Derek will be in the top 5 leaderboard when all is done.

    And just for the fun of it, Jeter is right now at #69 on the hit list. >>



    this just points out how great a player Aaron really was. Is it possible that he was maybe the greatest offensive player in history. You can say he held on a few years to pad is stats but it didnt really effect his overall averages.
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Derek Jeter says hello to Lou Gehrig @ 2,721 and tied for the all time NY Yankee hit list image
    Now down to 279 for 3,000

    Ken Griffey Jr still locked in at 249 to go with a aching knee.

    ...... and for those who are wondering who else active (with at least 1 base hit in 2009) with 2,000 or more hits .....

    Ivan Rodriguez 2702
    Omar Vizquel 2701
    Gary Sheffield 2689
    Alex Rodriguez 2512
    Garret Anderson 2480
    Manny Ramirez 2477
    Johnny Damon 2412
    Chipper Jones 2388
    Vladimir Guerrero 2222
    Edgar Renteria 2180
    Jim Thome 2134
    Todd Helton 2108
    Bobby Abreu 2084
    Miguel Tejada 2082
    Jason Kendall 2066
    Carlos Delgado 2038
    Ichiro Suzuki 2000

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    jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭
    Dang Sheffield hangs around another couple years..........
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