Obviously not the same coin right?
konsole
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I know many people advise against purchasing raw gold coins on ebay and I generally agree, but I have purchased several in the last few months and have had pretty good success. Now on to this latest purchase. The coin had decent pictures and the seller had 100% feedback with a good return policy. The coin looked to be in my preferred condition and price range so I went for it. Well I just received the coin and it appears to be not the same coin. When I consider these other issues listed below I'm debating that the seller sent me the wrong coin on purpose rather then by mistake.
1. seller says they needed immediate payment and would ship the item within 2 days after payment but took almost a week to ship the item
2. they sent me a message on 7/14/09 that they "just finally got it shipped" but checking the post office log says that: "Acceptance, July 15, 2009, 2:17 pm"
Here is the auction...
ebay auction
and here are the pictures I just took...
Obviously you can see the huge gash on the reverse rim and general overall marks that don't match. I just sent the seller a message but I was wondering what you guys think of the situation. Does it sound like it may be an honest error of shipping the wrong coin or was this done on purpose or what?
Also when shipping the item back to the seller is there anything that will cover my return shipping cost since the seller sent the wrong item, or the possibility of the seller saying that I did something to the coin or didnt return it?
I know many people advise against purchasing raw gold coins on ebay and I generally agree, but I have purchased several in the last few months and have had pretty good success. Now on to this latest purchase. The coin had decent pictures and the seller had 100% feedback with a good return policy. The coin looked to be in my preferred condition and price range so I went for it. Well I just received the coin and it appears to be not the same coin. When I consider these other issues listed below I'm debating that the seller sent me the wrong coin on purpose rather then by mistake.
1. seller says they needed immediate payment and would ship the item within 2 days after payment but took almost a week to ship the item
2. they sent me a message on 7/14/09 that they "just finally got it shipped" but checking the post office log says that: "Acceptance, July 15, 2009, 2:17 pm"
Here is the auction...
ebay auction
and here are the pictures I just took...
Obviously you can see the huge gash on the reverse rim and general overall marks that don't match. I just sent the seller a message but I was wondering what you guys think of the situation. Does it sound like it may be an honest error of shipping the wrong coin or was this done on purpose or what?
Also when shipping the item back to the seller is there anything that will cover my return shipping cost since the seller sent the wrong item, or the possibility of the seller saying that I did something to the coin or didnt return it?
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As for item #2, I often will print a shipping label late in the day and deliver the package the following day so no biggie there.
The name is LEE!
In the case of a shipping error the seller should send you the right coin along with packaging material for you to return the mistakenly shipped coin.
Just try to get your bid money back.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
As somebody else said, worry about getting your bid back, and chalk up the postage to tuition in the school of hard knocks.
TD
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"Hi ****, I just received the item that relates to this auction and though it appears to be a U.S. 1908 $5 Liberty coin, the condition of the coin is nothing like the pictures in the auction. Are you sure you sent me the right coin? Please RSVP. Thanks"
so hopefully the seller just accidentally sent me the wrong coin and will send out the right coin.
If the seller agrees they made an honest mistake and says they will send the right coin out, should I wait till I get the right coin from them before I send the wrong coin back to avoid them getting my money and their coin back?
<< <i>yeah dont even give him a chance to make it right, do a chargeback and neg him. just as you would want done to you. best answer yet >>
Do you realy think he just happened to have two 1908 Indian five dollar gold coins and he accidentally sent the wrong coin?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Eventhough the seller says 'the coin will grade as fine to extra fine', which your coin looks like, that's no excuse for a seller to use a picture of much higher quality and grade.
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I hope you did not invite this seller to dinner~
Seriously, it could be an honest mistake, (old and wrong picture listed etc, stuff happens) and you probably should give the seller 24 hours to make it right. After that, I wouldn't hesitate to take action. You know the drill. Good luck and keep us informed...Fingers and toes crossed for you. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Here is this other auction I'm refering to...
other auction
and here is the auction I won...
auction I won
so my question now is does the seller have the specifically say that the coin pictured is the coin I will receive, or can they use any photo they want and then make me rely on the description?
<< <i>so my question now is does the seller have the specifically say that the coin pictured is the coin I will receive, or can they use any photo they want and then make me rely on the description? >>
If they use a photograph and then knowingly send out a clearly different (and inferior) coin, it is nothing other than deception by this seller.
Unless stated otherwise, if a phograph is shown in an auction listing, I believe that would be only reasonable and ethical to send out what was pictured.
Good job on gathering this previous auction information. I would certainly mention it to PayPal should you encounter a problem getting your refund.
The fact is (at least to me) that neither coin is that great for the money you spent... But that's another topic entirely
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
Do a "Print Scrn" and paste it in an email to yourself so you have it saved.
<< <i>Save screen shots of both listings while you can.
Do a "Print Scrn" and paste it in an email to yourself so you have it saved.
good idea
<< <i>See how he responds to your polite inquiry. Do a PayPal SNAD if he doesn't make things right.
The fact is (at least to me) that neither coin is that great for the money you spent... But that's another topic entirely
well the other auction ran the price up to $515 so me paying $315 doesnt sound too bad :-)
The going price on ebay for the ungraded $5 Liberties is about $300 in high XF
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<< <i>See how he responds to your polite inquiry. Do a PayPal SNAD if he doesn't make things right.
The fact is (at least to me) that neither coin is that great for the money you spent... But that's another topic entirely
well the other auction ran the price up to $515 so me paying $315 doesnt sound too bad :-) >>
Dang... Sounds like I need to list a few circulated and polished $5 Indians
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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<< <i>See how he responds to your polite inquiry. Do a PayPal SNAD if he doesn't make things right.
The fact is (at least to me) that neither coin is that great for the money you spent... But that's another topic entirely
well the other auction ran the price up to $515 so me paying $315 doesnt sound too bad :-) >>
Dang... Sounds like I need to list a few circulated and polished $5 Indians
except that the one that ran up to $515 in the other auction is the one that probably wasnt polished.
so here is his new auction
here is the reverse of the coin he sent me
so its no guarantee that the coin he now has for auction is the same coin I returned to him but its certainly looks like it. Also he now has stated that there is no returns were as the auction I won said 7 days return. This guy is really trying to be snake like with this coin. I have no idea how he managed 100% positive feedback. To top it off ebay pulled the auction I won after the item was paid for so I couldnt leave feedback for him.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>konsole---So, what kind of feedback would you have left him if eBay didn't pull the auction?
oh man not much to be positive about. Slow shipping, slow responses, stolen pictures, wrong item, wouldnt cover the $3 return shipping for an illegal auction, not describing major issues with the coin. The only positives were that I eventually got my money back, and he atleast claimed he was sorry for the issues.
The new auction sold for almost $100 over the coins melt value, considering the small loss of gold with the gouge on the reverse. I can't imagine a coin in that condition being worth much more then its melt value. I was gonna try to contact the winner of the new auction to tell them what was up with the coin but I have no idea how to contact hidden bidders.
<< <i>With the new auction though the buyer is gonna have a hard time getting their money back when theres no return policy on the new auction. I'm sure the seller knows that the buyer will be unhappy with the coin and will want to return it. >>
If the buyer pays with Paypal, can't he do a credit card charge back since the merchandise is not as described?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>With the new auction though the buyer is gonna have a hard time getting their money back when theres no return policy on the new auction. I'm sure the seller knows that the buyer will be unhappy with the coin and will want to return it. >>
If the buyer pays with Paypal, can't he do a credit card charge back since the merchandise is not as described? >>
well the seller may have a picture of the actual coin in the new auction (as bad as the "1" picture may be), and did say that there is a noticeable issue with the reverse of the coin. Even though the issue is much more then just a "bag mark", he did say that this was only his opinion. So considering he may have actual pictures and did mention the issue with the coin, along with saying the coin can't be returned, I think the seller has a strong case for not taking the coin back and refunding the new buyers money. When I won the coin he did say that he thinks the coin wasnt particularly high grade, but I had the benefit of there being a return policy and being able to claim that he used stolen pictures of a different coin. The new buyer doesnt seem to have either of those benefits.
I guess its kind of the buyers fault for buying a coin based on 1 bad picture and trusting the crooked opinion of the seller concerning the coins condition. If the seller was to say that the gouge is a bag mark and thats not just his opinion, then the buyer may have a case for returning it since the seller is guaranteeing that the gouge is a bag mark when it isnt. I guess the seller cant be held responsible for their opinion.
I remember maybe 2 years ago I felt like getting into a little resale on ebay, bidding on $2.50 Indians with bad pictures in hopes of getting the coin pretty cheap. To tell ya truth this worked great for a while and I won coins that were pretty nice. I would win a coin with bad pictures but had a relatively trusting description, and then I would resell it with much better pictures for maybe a 25% profit. I don't think I'd trust bidding on coins with bad pictures now, even if the description for the coin was favorable and trusting. The downhill slide of the economy probably tempted more sellers to be much more deceptive with their auctions.