Wrong way to grade die variety coin? 2009 lincoln w/link to pic

JungleFever

This is graded as a regular issue Lincoln..........but since it has elements which are not from the original die design..........is that how it should be graded?

Seems to me it would it would be recognized as a different coin than a regular issue Lincoln with NO DD error.

Everything I know about grading refers back to the original intention of the design and how close the strike came to that design.

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Robb

Varieties and legit errors like clips, lamination, etc. can be still considered MS because they came from the Mint that way and were not caused by Post Mint Damage (PMD).

TomB

Perhaps it is just me, but I truly am not certain what you are asking the way it is worded.

Bubblehead

I agree. It's bogus, all right.

Manorcourtman

Have no idea what you are talking about?

Robb

I believe that he is suggesting that a coin with a variety should not be graded as "MS" because it is not the product of the original intended design.

pheh

It is Mint State. Graded within the confines that it is close to the same state it was in as when it left the mint.

Res

I always thought mint state meant that the coin is in the same state as it came from the mint.

boucharda

<< <i>I always thought mint state meant that the coin is in the same state as it came from the mint. >>

JungleFever

T3

GrumpyEd

<< <i> Everything I know about grading refers back to the original intention of the design and how close the strike came to that design. >>



The strike has nothing to do with it, the variety is part of the die. The variety was created when the die was hubbed not when the coin was struck.

Grading is based on the strike and condition, attribution is based on the die variety.

Papi

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<< <i> Everything I know about grading refers back to the original intention of the design and how close the strike came to that design. >>



The strike has nothing to do with it, the variety is part of the die. The variety was created when the die was hubbed not when the coin was struck.

Grading is based on the strike and condition, attribution is based on the die variety.

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Then what about a coin graded MS68 that has an obverse die clash? A clash wasn't created when the die was hubbed.

JungleFever

My point is: the coin is graded as a standard lincoln cent, when in fact it's a ddo. Does that matter or not? Just a simple question from a simple mind.......

boucharda

<< <i> My point is: the coin is graded as a standard lincoln cent, when in fact it's a ddo. Does that matter or not? Just a simple question from a simple mind. >>



Since they do not recognize the variety then they must have graded the "standard" Lincoln cent

GrumpyEd

<< <i>My point is: the coin is graded as a standard lincoln cent, when in fact it's a ddo. Does that matter or not? Just a simple question from a simple mind....... >>



All TPGs don't attribute all varieties. Even if it was sent to ANACs they won't attribute unless the person paid for variety attribution.

No free attribution except the few that have their own PCGS number and the coin is submitted with that number.

GrumpyEd

This is why it pays to look for die varieties in holders