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I think it has a REAL GOOD shot to cross - how about you?

Judging by these shots, taken with the same camera, same lighting - everything being equal, including Reverses, do you think the coin has a shot to cross at the same grade? Thanx.

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  • At first I wanted to say no!, but then I thought well heck its in an ngc holder. They make all washingtons look like sliders in digital photos as they have a tendency to highlight the leading edges of the cheek and make "faux rub" appear in pics.
    I would say yes as its generally mark free and not out of line for a 66.
    I think PCGS missed the nasty mark on the top of washingtons forehead/hair!!
  • Screw the cross over... Sell it to me!
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so it looks to me like that PCGS coin will not cross into an NGC holder
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    Comparing them head to head and having a ton of PCGS 66
    & 67 Washingtons to go by - I think it does! image
  • DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You never know till ya try! Good Luck!
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>so it looks to me like that PCGS coin will not cross into an NGC holder >>



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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Judging by these shots, taken with the same camera, same lighting - everything being equal, including Reverses, do you think the coin has a shot to cross at the same grade? Thanx. >>



    First off (and admittedly a nit), everything wasn't equal, or the background would have been the same color/exposure.

    That said, I think the coin stands a chance to cross and see no reason to doubt your assessment. However, pictures are hardly enough to be able to make that assessment -- heck, even in-hand, it wouldn't be easy unless you knew how (presumably) PCGS was currently grading them (I don't) and if you intend to crack the coin out first (you never said).

    Bottom line: Comparing 500 pixel obverse pictures of 66's is hardly enough to form a strong opinion, and I don't care who you are. You have the coins and likely more experience than most/all of the responders to answer the question.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • EdscoinEdscoin Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭
    The NGC coin will cross. But I don't think the PCGS one will.image
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    These coins look familiar, had you tried to cross this coin previously?
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  • zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825
    How's the reverse?
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    << These coins look familiar, had you tried to cross this coin previously? >>

    No. I've not tried to cross it over before.

    I have a box of 20 various Type set aside as bonafide candidates
    that I've scrutinized and feel are worth the effort (and expense).

    It looks familiar because I've posted a similar question with these
    same two coins before though.

    I usually do well crossing at the same or higher grade but NEVER
    do I EVER crack any certified coin out. Not Once. Nope - No Way image

  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    I don't have shots of both reverses handy but they are virtually identical.

    Smudges seen on either holder are ON the slabs - not the coins.

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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    IMO It won't cross if you send it in the holder.

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

  • The NGC coin has two locations that worry me-

    The cheek nearest the mouth seems to appear to have a rub or some kind of contact something- Then right in front of the mouth in the obverse field there appears to be some contact... The NGC washington hair looks better struck; Will it cross? I would say no- PCGS seems to be a little tougher than NGC on washies... but Boom- You are the expert


  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    both coins look 66 to me.
    cross it!
  • IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975
    Yes, indeed, Tom. Been there, done that.
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    6 of one - half dozen of the other!

    The coins are both very solid 66s.

    As such, I see no reason for the coin NOT to cross succesfully but
    I would NOT send it in raw, having cracked it out the NGC slab, under
    ANY circumstance.

    While the PCGS coin IS a Quality piece, the NGC coin, IMHO is the
    better of the two specimen.

    I've done quite well crossing NGC to PCGS, however coins I send in
    have all been hand picked (cherrypicked) & submitted IN THE SLABS.

    Crossing NGC gets very tight and especially difficult in MS 67 as it's
    been my experience that PCGS 67 silver Washington (32-64) have
    a certain "look" to them as opposed to NGC 67.

    Experienced Washington Quarter collectors/ Registry set builders -
    people that submit and "make" PCGS 67 Wash Qtrs, KNOW what I
    mean by "that certain look". Coins really need to be Original, un -
    dipped and have really clean (hit-free) surfaces w/ outstanding luster.

    Crossing 66 and under isn't all that difficult but by no means a sure
    bet however trying to cross to PCGS 67 is a completely different
    Ball Game. JMHO - FWIW!

    It boils down to Strength of strike, luster, Original surfaces AND
    Eye- appeal. That's my "take" on this subject & this series. image
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,956 ✭✭✭✭
    Maybe, maybe not, if the coin is all there, I think it's a better shot to make the grade if you submit it raw, but you take a chance with that route you'll be left with just a nice raw coin.
  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034
    You are very familiar with the series and agree that NGC got the grade right. Who cares if it crosses?
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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Absolutely... image
  • If you look closely at the brow you will see the difference between the two. There are frown lines on the brow of the PCGS coin and not the NGC coin plus it impossible to say without seeing the reverse, it could change the grade by 1/2 a point.
  • If anything the NGC coin looks better to me
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    << You are very familiar with the series and agree that NGC got the grade right. Who cares if it crosses? >>

    The 62-D in PCGS 66 is a very tough latter day semi-key of relatively low population.

    As such, in PCGS 66 the coin sells for a considerable premium as opposed to an NGC 66.

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