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I'm a big Dummy-I took a few more pics-Kennedy Fans, die gouge, have a looksee-I'm a big dummy

ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
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My latest arrival from board member BAJJERFAN, I needed a couple of Kennedys for my Dansco.

I pull out the loop to see the coins up close. The reverse of the 2009d looks to have a scratch across the shield, but this scratch is only on the lower
portions of the vertical bars.

Die gouge................right?

Are there numbers, such as in VAM numbers, assigned to Kennedys??

If not I'll have to designate it HJM1.....image.........image

Sorry about the crappy pics, I may reshoot tonight.


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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice pictures, but I can only faintly make out the gouge you are referring to.
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  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    Five of the lower vertical bars show the gouge, In ,y picture only 3 are visible





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    Herb
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Think about this for a second…the recesses on the shield on the coin would be the high point of the die, and since the gouges appear on the high point of the coins (lower recess of die) how could the gouge get into just the lower recesses of the die?

    Does that make any sense?

    Possible, the gouge may have been worked off the high points leaving the recess gouge.
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  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    Okay so I'm thinking..............image


    <<since the gouges appear on the high point of the coins >>

    They do not appear on the high point of the coin, only in the lower(recessed) vertical bars.

    My written command of the English language is not the best, at times I have a hard time expressing myself in type.








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  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭
    That is one lousy looking kennedy. The coin appears all marked up with bag marks. Now that is poor quality from the denver mint.
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  • kwmorgankwmorgan Posts: 967 ✭
    No offense, but that is one horrible looking D mint coin. Quality is definitely slipping. I hope the uncirculated set Kennedy halves don't look this bad. The '09 proofs aren't the greatest this year either.
  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    No offense taken.........................I believe the coin came out of a mint bag, just filling holes in my Kennedy Dansco. Once this thread dies, I doubt I'll ever look at that coin again. I don't do Kennedys, I just fill the holes.

    On second thought, I may need another D mint for the Dansco. I'll keep this die gouged coin in the unusual coin folder.




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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    About normal for the Denver Kennedys this year just went through a roll and only found two coins worth sending to PCGS. What I think will be a 65 and a 66.
    That shield is a known contact point on them. Your mark looks like a rim scrape from another coin to me.
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  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    <<Your mark looks like a rim scrape from another coin to me.>>


    One more time........the "scrape" is only on the recessed vertical bars of the shield. If scraped by another coin the higher
    vertical bars would show the damage.

    I know the pic sux, I know itza die gouge, I was wondering if Kennedy collectors drool over such things as much as VAM folks.






    Herb


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  • 2manycoins2fewfunds2manycoins2fewfunds Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
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  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    took a few more pics.



    Herb
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  • kwmorgankwmorgan Posts: 967 ✭
    I am thinking of filling the Whitman holes with coins from a mint set this year. I bet a mint set P & D Kennedy would look nice in your Dansco image

    If I decide to bust up a set for the nickel and dime, I will drop u a line on the Kennedys from the set.
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    I know the pic sux, I know itza die gouge, I was wondering if Kennedy collectors drool over such things as much as VAM folks.


    It's a curiosity, no drooling.
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  • TwincamTwincam Posts: 814 ✭✭


    << <i><<Your mark looks like a rim scrape from another coin to me.>>

    One more time........the "scrape" is only on the recessed vertical bars of the shield. If scraped by another coin the higher
    vertical bars would show the damage.
    I know the pic sux, I know itza die gouge, I was wondering if Kennedy collectors drool over such things as much as VAM folks. >>



    I have to agree with LindeDad on this one...that's just a hit from another coin...not a die gouge.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i><<Your mark looks like a rim scrape from another coin to me.>>

    One more time........the "scrape" is only on the recessed vertical bars of the shield. If scraped by another coin the higher
    vertical bars would show the damage.
    I know the pic sux, I know itza die gouge, I was wondering if Kennedy collectors drool over such things as much as VAM folks. >>



    I have to agree with LindeDad on this one...that's just a hit from another coin...not a die gouge. >>


    I gotta agree Z. I see where you indicate the "scratch" but according to my 2001-D Kennedy's, thats a raised bar. From the left of the picture, the outer most vertical is raised indicating some type of abrasive scratch and not a die scratch.

    Keep looking though, perhaps you'll find a "Red Baron" Eagle Die Clash:

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    That little doo-dah coming off the eagles hood kinda looks like one of them old time scarves that pilots wore in the early part of the 20th Century.
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    For your last photo, my guess is probably just a couple of minor strike-thrus.
  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i><<Your mark looks like a rim scrape from another coin to me.>>

    One more time........the "scrape" is only on the recessed vertical bars of the shield. If scraped by another coin the higher
    vertical bars would show the damage.
    I know the pic sux, I know itza die gouge, I was wondering if Kennedy collectors drool over such things as much as VAM folks. >>



    I have to agree with LindeDad on this one...that's just a hit from another coin...not a die gouge. >>


    I gotta agree Z. I see where you indicate the "scratch" but according to my 2001-D Kennedy's, thats a raised bar. From the left of the picture, the outer most vertical is raised indicating some type of abrasive scratch and not a die scratch.

    Keep looking though, perhaps you'll find a "Red Baron" Eagle Die Clash:

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    Man do I feel stupid, I looked at that coin ten times and saw the first bar as recessed.

    I'm wrong it is a hit from another coin.


    Sorry guys.



    Herb

    That little doo-dah coming off the eagles hood kinda looks like one of them old time scarves that pilots wore in the early part of the 20th Century. >>

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to tell from the pictures which of the vertical stripes are raised and which are recessed. So, pulling a Kennedy half from my pocket, I see that the seven odd-numbered stripes are raised. Since the marks on your coin are on the raised stripes, the line has to be damage to the coin rather than a die gouge.
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