Is there a 1958/7-D Lincoln Cent?

Type2

If so can some one give me a link to look at, Thank in advance,Type2.

GrumpyEd

Not sure there's even a 1958/7, the D is probably the same deal. I think Breen listed it but most others doubt it.




One thread on coppercoins

another thread

Type2

this is what I found.

GrumpyEd

That might be the master die doubling they mentioned on the top ball of the 8.

stinkinlincoln

<<That might be the master die doubling they mentioned on the top ball of the 8.>>

Type2

Here's 2 more to look at.

dbemike

ANACS slabs them as BREEN 2225

Heritage archives

cars

Awesome closeup pics, Wish I could do that.

DCW

This variety was debunked long, long ago. But, your pics are great. I can say how people would think that that is an 8 over 7. Really pops out on your coin, especially the first pic.

stinkinlincoln

<<ANACS slabs them as BREEN 2225>>

I got no info from that link...


Also, if they have been debunked as an overdate... Why has ANACS not pulled these coins out of the market?

dbemike

<< <i><<ANACS slabs them as BREEN 2225>>

I got no info from that link...


Also, if they have been debunked as an overdate... Why has ANACS not pulled these coins out of the market? >>




It proves they do exist and they aren't a new discovery.
I'm not sure ANACS still attributes them or not, but I found no other info on the coin.

stinkinlincoln

<<It proves they do exist and they aren't a new discovery.
I'm not sure ANACS still attributes them or not, but I found no other info on the coin.>>


What proves what exsists? The 58/7-D overdate because ANACS slabbed it as such?

I dont think anyone ever said they didnt exsist, just that they are not over dates...

dbemike

My OP was to give the OPer more info on the answer to his thread TITLE.

Whether it helped him out or not, theres no reason for the attack on me.

fcloud

They can be found in the new ANACS holders. They are not overdates, but the die gouges are still there, so the coin continues to be breen 2225.

The labels are marked---

1958-D, grade, color
1958-D 1C
Breen-2225
Grade
Color

Type2

There was a link on Breen, Can some one give it to me once more please. Thanks in advance.

stinkinlincoln

<<Whether it helped him out or not, theres no reason for the attack on me. >>

Maybe I missed something, but who attack you? All I did was respond to your post... No harm meant. If it came across as me attacking you, Im sorry. It wasnt meant as such.

GrumpyEd

<< <i>They can be found in the new ANACS holders. They are not overdates, but the die gouges are still there, so the coin continues to be breen 2225. >>



Yes they will slab a some de-bunked varieties. They put the Breen or FS number without saying it's an overdate or RPM or whatever. It's saying it's the variety without saying what the variety is. (CYA)

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I found a listing for it in John Wexlers old book "The Lincoln Cent Doubled Die" He listed it as P and D so it was known from both mints:

1958 (P,D) MH-1-O-VII
The first hubbing on the master die was made with a modified 1957 hub on which the 7 was ground off (but not completely), and the second hubbing was made with a 1958 hub giving a 1958/7 master die. The markers will vary among the individual working dies.

BUT this is a very old book from before it was in question.

Type2

But does it show a pic of it is this one of them?

CaptHenway

The theory is, or was, that when the Mint's engraving department took a 1957-dated hub and removed the last digit prior to using it to sink a new master die that would then have an 8 added to it, they failed to completely remove the 7. The theory was never proven to my satisfaction, though I would not swear that it was not possible.

A similar incomplete erasure is one possibility considered for the 1914/3 nickel overdates, and some 1943 halves.

TD

CaptHenway

<< <i>But does it show a pic of it is this one of them? >>



That is the so-called overdate. Since the markings were on the hub, multiple dies may exist.

TD

GrumpyEd

Yes it has a pic. The one in his pic has a slightly stronger top corner (maybe from lighting) but very similar and the angled line in the top ball looks the same.

The one in the pic is a plain not a D, but like I said it's listed as (P,D).

Type2

Thanks all I like looking for this stuff just some times I cant find any pic to cross reference. YES,

MFH

Quite a few years ago, I bought a pair of 1958/7 P & D cents in ANACS holders. [ MS 66 RD ]

I bought them thru Teletrade and although I couldn't see an underdate with 5 X - the 7 right upper

serif is barely visable with 10 X.

Who knows, maybe someday they'll be of interest to another collector.

[ Sorry, no images.]

Type2