Would you consider an ebay title stating PCGS and a grade deceptive
Bochiman
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...if it is in a PCGS Genuine slab and the seller states that he believes it grades whatever grade he put in the title?
To me, the title should NOT state a grade for a slabbed coin if that grade is NOT on the slab. It's ok, to me, to put in one's opinion in the body of the auction, but leave it out of the title.
Just seems a bit deceptive to me but I may be alone in this.....
To me, the title should NOT state a grade for a slabbed coin if that grade is NOT on the slab. It's ok, to me, to put in one's opinion in the body of the auction, but leave it out of the title.
Just seems a bit deceptive to me but I may be alone in this.....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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Not in the title.
Steve
They should say something like "PCGS slabbed" and maybe even explain the code.
Most of them say "PCGS graded" which isn't exactly true.
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To me, the title should NOT state a grade for a slabbed coin if that grade is NOT on the slab. It's ok, to me, to put in one's opinion in the body of the auction, but leave it out of the title.
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I agree with you, I'm embarrassed to admit that I've done this with some Genuine coins. But it's certainly something that I would not feel right repeating.
1914-D PCGS Authenticated XF Technical Grade Old Cleaning
Or something to that effect
A lot of times stuff that has a problem could be a very slight problem that would still be market acceptable to most people. Saying PCGS Authentic makes me think Cleaned with a wire brush or rock tumbler.
It's a fine line delineating.
Maybe
1914-D PCGS Certified High Grade Lincoln Cent
Better title
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To me, the title should NOT state a grade for a slabbed coin if that grade is NOT on the slab. It's ok, to me, to put in one's opinion in the body of the auction, but leave it out of the title.
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I agree with you, I'm embarrassed to admit that I've done this with some Genuine coins. But it's certainly something that I would not feel right repeating. >>
I agree and, to be frank, I was looking at some of your auctions, saw this, and closed the window. Maybe once things get a little more clear on the auctions, I may go back to looking/bidding, but I have no desire to at the moment since you have current auctions that do this (Genuine coins that you state PCGS and grades on in the title).
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I was looking at a Bust half today that had XF40 in the title. So I'm looking at the images of the coin and not paying that much attention to the holder, and then I got a shock when I finally saw Genuine on the PCGS slab. Not cool.
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JMO
<< <i>No. If it got a grade, fine, but it didnt. The seller knows the rules and if he doesnt play by them, he should have his auction pulled.
JMO >>
BUT.........
As long as he doesnt put a numeric grade he's following ebay policy
Amazing you can say ultra super gem bu DMPL
but not ms65
Gem bu denotes a 65 while ultra gem bu is 66 or 67 if I remember right or is it superb? Getting old........
Guess I dont mind someone saying 1914-D pcgs Certified Lincoln Cent XF
instead of
1914-D PCGS Certified XF Lincoln Cent
Semantics I know But.
Caveat emptor READ. Not defending these guys, but instead of screwing up and whining I actually read auctions and look at pics before bidding. Of course if someone writes 30 pages of terms I dont even bother. I would not bid on an auction before I look at the pic. Now if the pic was fuzzy/taken from across the room no way am I bidding.
As long as he doesnt put a numeric grade he's following ebay policy
Amazing you can say ultra super gem bu DMPL
but not ms65
Gem bu denotes a 65 while ultra gem bu is 66 or 67 if I remember right or is it superb? Getting old........
Guess I dont mind someone saying 1914-D pcgs Certified Lincoln Cent XF
instead of
1914-D PCGS Certified XF Lincoln Cent
Semantics I know But.
Caveat emptor READ. Not defending these guys, but instead of screwing up and whining I actually read auctions and look at pics before bidding. Of course if someone writes 30 pages of terms I dont even bother. I would not bid on an auction before I look at the pic. Now if the pic was fuzzy/taken from across the room no way am I bidding.>>
I can agree with this. Is it ok with ebay putting F, VF, XF, and so on?
If so, cool. If not, then the seller should follow the rules.
I dont think anyone is whining here, more asking a question. Getting some feedback is always a good thing in my eyes. I know some people will never change their position on something, but I have several times on issues and members here have shown me the other side.
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<< <i>No. If it got a grade, fine, but it didnt. The seller knows the rules and if he doesnt play by them, he should have his auction pulled.
JMO >>
BUT.........
As long as he doesnt put a numeric grade he's following ebay policy
Amazing you can say ultra super gem bu DMPL
but not ms65
Gem bu denotes a 65 while ultra gem bu is 66 or 67 if I remember right or is it superb? Getting old........
Guess I dont mind someone saying 1914-D pcgs Certified Lincoln Cent XF
instead of
1914-D PCGS Certified XF Lincoln Cent
Semantics I know But.
Caveat emptor READ. Not defending these guys, but instead of screwing up and whining I actually read auctions and look at pics before bidding. Of course if someone writes 30 pages of terms I dont even bother. I would not bid on an auction before I look at the pic. Now if the pic was fuzzy/taken from across the room no way am I bidding. >>
Seller put XF45, etc, in the title along with PCGS (no mention of genuine until the text either...certainly not in the title)
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I have written many potential buyers who are in a bidding war and hopefully helped them see the coin and the seller before the auction is over. I despise deceit.
Tip
<< <i>As stated the title has to be the exact grade the coin is certified as. But in the description the seller can say anything he wants. I, as all of you, have seen the comments: "undergraded, PQ that should be resent in for upgrade"", ANACS slabs listed as will crossover with any certifier", etc. These are good come-ons and there are the newbies and fools who will believe this. That is who the seller is targeting.
I have written many potential buyers who are in a bidding war and hopefully helped them see the coin and the seller before the auction is over. I despise deceit.
Tip >>
On some other venue than eBay I assume. Otherwise, I would be interested in knowing how you are getting bidder identities on live auctions.