Your opinion on this 1795 Draped Bust Dollar (UPDATE in first post)

papabear

Please give your opinion and grade on this 1795 Draped Bust Dollar

Thank You Papabear



YES the coin is FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Real scary aint it!!!!!

Papabear

Patches

not knowledgeable in the series, but I love the color on it. I think the front looks like a VF-25 and the reverse a VG-10/F-12. It has good eye appeal though, which I consider to be most important. I would net grade if F-15.

doh

Providing it's real I call it VF30. Love the color!

diamondman

Nice not real familiar with grading this series buy I'll say vf35 or xf40.

abitofthisabitofthat

I would go not genuine on this one.

kaz

I would guess about vf-30. Looks very nice.

rays

Many of these, especially raw examples, have been messed with in one way or another. The obverse hair detail seems a little funny, perhaps re-engraved. Has this coin ever been sent for encapsulation?

Top50SetBuilder

<< <i>I would go not genuine on this one. >>


Agree

abitofthisabitofthat

maibockaddict

Looks a lot like this one to me...

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1124&Lot_No=853&src=pr

GoldenEyeNumismatics

looks like it was struck in a collar.

LanLord

<< <i>I would go not genuine on this one. >>

Something doesn't look kosher about it. But I can't really point out what is exactly wrong

CIVITAS

It's a lower quality counterfeit that was made alongside the 1796 we have published here:

http://www.civitasgalleries.com/counterfeits/1796silverdollar.html

Same obverse die (save for the date). Reverse die is similar.

This is one of the coins that is/was appearing in fake slabs on eBay.

metalmeister

Looks nice ( VF35- EF40) but,
as a buyer, only certified for me.

papabear

Papabear

notwilight

<< <i>Please give your opinion and grade on this 1795 Draped Bust Dollar

YES the coin is FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Real scary aint it!!!!!

Papabear >>



Fake was my first thought. When my first thought is "very nice" then I'll be more worried. --Jerry

lordmarcovan

Aww, hell.

That IS really scary.

I am not liking the writing I see on the wall, here.

Edit to add: I sort of did wonder a little about some of the lettering on the reverse, before I read the update. But I have to admit the obverse would have fooled me. I have owned only one Bust dollar ever, and it wasn't a Small Eagle coin. I don't go to shows enough to handle many coins like this, so it's not surprising it might fool me. Of course that's the beauty of these forums.

I take it you knew it was a fake, or had some suspicions?

lordmarcovan

<< <i>It's a lower quality counterfeit that was made alongside the 1796 we have published here:

http://www.civitasgalleries.com/counterfeits/1796silverdollar.html

Same obverse die (save for the date). Reverse die is similar.

This is one of the coins that is/was appearing in fake slabs on eBay. >>



If that's "lower quality", I would hate to see some of the higher quality fakes. Maybe that's just the thing. You wouldn't see 'em coming, unless you were one of a small handful of folks with specialized knowledge.

It's almost enough to make one paranoid.

illini420

wow, I thought it looked pretty too

notwilight

My thoughts were:

Post removed. No need to tell the counterfeiters what they are doing wrong.


--Jerry

papabear

Yes I knew it was fake from the start but the price was right.
(will look good in my type set)
I thought it would be a good learning experience for me
and help others here to learn what to look for.

notwilight please PM your thoughts on this coin.


Thank You Papabear

jdillane

Pretty good fake. Has a couple tells, though.