Gehrig & Shoeless Joe Ebay Purchase

ShoeboxTom · July 9, 2009 11:05AM

Hi guys. Did I make a wise choice today with these two buys. I am having second thoughts.
I am hoping to get at least a PSA 1 on the two cards. Any experienced observations would help.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=150357710396

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=150357710396

justmichael · July 9, 2009 11:08AM

That Gehrig looks like a fake to me.It might be the picture but the blue looks way to light and bright.I hope I am wrong.Good luck and nice cards if it works out.
Mike

fattymacs · July 9, 2009 11:09AM

Me votes reprints

JackWESQ · July 9, 2009 11:10AM

Link to Auction.

Assuming it is authentic, I don't think a PSA 1 is asking too much. But it is hard to tell from the photos. But, at worst, it appears you are out only $13.01.

/s/ JackWESQ

bbcemporium · July 9, 2009 11:11AM

Agree on the Gehrig being a reprint. I just sold one of those, and the coloring on yours looks off. Hope I'm wrong and its just the scanner. Did you buy them through eBay?

ShoeboxTom · July 9, 2009 11:15AM

Yes it was through 2 ebay purchases with the same seller. The seller in his description states
that the cards are old. The description does not mention reprints and gives the impression
that the cards are vintage. The seller even indicates that more old cards are on the way.

bbcemporium · July 9, 2009 11:17AM

Who was the seller if you don't mind me asking?

Yankees001 · July 9, 2009 11:19AM

I'd say bad purchase, unless you got them both for under $10.

I don't buy old stuff like that unless it's graded just to be safe.

ShoeboxTom · July 9, 2009 11:21AM

The seller is a rookie ebayer with only 6 feedback. ssylvia120 ( 6 )
So I admit the buy was risky. I guess I was rolling the dice. What
about the back of the Gehrig card which I have included. Its a
better scan to look at compared to the front. The back looks authentic.

Yankees001 · July 9, 2009 11:24AM

Auction links

Gehrig

jackson

Yankees001 · July 9, 2009 11:25AM

I would say for $56 and $10 each they would be reprints.

Originals would sell for much more than that.

Ahmanfan · July 9, 2009 11:38AM

no way those are real... look especially on the Jackson how uniformly rounded the corners are... borders wont be that undamaged and corners be rounded, typically. also the card is bright white, cmon.
John

okposo21 · July 9, 2009 11:43AM

Yeah, this seems like a rookie mistake here.

PoppaJ · July 9, 2009 12:16PM

Outside of the cards looking like reprints to me ....

I realize that EVERY seller starting out has a low feedback score that deters many bidders/buyers.... but this particular seller's feedbacks from others would have raised a very bright red flag for me.

Check out these Feedbacks!!

2 different sellers; both Naru'd; both sent similar feedbacks using all CAPS!

Just doesn't sit well with me for some reason.

My first impression was that this seller was possibly in cahoots with the other 2 Naru'd sellers and maybe all three of them were Naru'd. And now this seller just recently decided to make a come back????

PoppaJ

storm888 · July 9, 2009 12:38PM

"...2 different sellers; both Naru'd; both sent similar feedbacks using all CAPS!..."

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One was registered in RI; the same as the instant seller.

All three using numbers in their IDs.

.......

IMO the subject cards are not likely genuine.

She has sold other similar items, too.

EagleEyeKid · July 9, 2009 1:57PM

You can compare.

ShoeboxTom · July 9, 2009 10:52PM

http://completed.shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=64482&_okw=&_oexkw=&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=Zip+code&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_fss=1&fsradio=&LH_SpecificSeller=1&_saslop=1&_sasl=ssylvia120+&_sop=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_rdc=1

Check out the Cobb card that the seller sold. Doesn't it look genuine?

smtjoy · July 9, 2009 11:49PM

Sorry to say but the Joe Jackson is fake.

WinPitcher · July 9, 2009 11:52PM

I doubt anything this person sells is legit.

Steve

WinPitcher · July 9, 2009 11:53PM

I always love how these guys always say they have more vintage cards and will be listing them.

Like that gives them some sort of legitimacy.

Steve

MrVintage · July 10, 2009 12:40AM

Those are both fakes.....sorry bud

KbKards · July 10, 2009 12:48AM

ShoeboxTom. You shouldn't be trying to buy cards like this on Ebay. These are all obvious fakes to anybody with even a little experience with those issues. You also have to understand that you aren't the only person who sees these cards on Ebay. When cards that would be worth $1000-$2000 if they were real sell for $10-Jackson, $56 Gehrig, $5 Caramel Cobb, and $10 T206 Cobb, the reason they sold so cheap should be obvious. I can only imagine what your top bids were for the Gehrig and Jackson. You can consider yourself very lucky that Gehrig was the only card that somebody else like you decided to take a chance on. Contact the seller to try and return them and file a claim with Paypal when he refuses. Before thinking about bidding on this kind of crap again search Ebay for graded examples to see what they're supposed to look like.

mtcards · July 10, 2009 1:53AM

I think the thing is only about 1 in every 5,000 auctions like these turn out to be real, but you always hear about the one "real" one that sells for a little so a lot fo people think that there are always great finds like this.

Kind of like the "1860 Redlegs" that sold for $70k+ that was found by the old lady in California... it WAS on ebay with a BIN of $10 and didnt sell, so things like that do happen, although its rare.

MooseDog · July 10, 2009 11:00AM

Delongs are never that white...FYI...dead giveaway.

WinPitcher · July 10, 2009 11:11AM

I'm wondering if shoebox tom is the seller of these cards?

Steve

WinPitcher · July 10, 2009 11:12AM

t WAS on ebay with a BIN of $10 and didnt sell,

It did not sell because she was inundated with emails from people that wanted to buy it offline.

NOT because no one wanted it.

Steve

fkw · July 11, 2009 1:44PM

Hope you used Monopoly Money for the transaction!

Both are common Larry Fristch reprint cards and have NO value...

R333 Gehrig = reprint
(very easy one to see, borders too wide, edges of design are cropped, colors are off, back is wrong washed out color, etc.)

M101-4/5 Jackson = reprint!
one of the most common prewar sets reprinted (borders are cropped in design, gap between thin line around photo and photo is 3-4X too wide, etc.)

Ladder7 · July 11, 2009 8:27PM

Two golden opportunities To leave negatives! Dont let this shyster off easy.

ShoeboxTom · July 11, 2009 10:58PM

Just to give you an update the seller did give me a refund for the Jackson and Gehrig.
The seller seems clueless so I didn't neg him because I was just happy to get my
money back. However, get this he has reposted the cards back on to ebay and
yes people are bidding on it again. He has a Cy Young card up. Is that authentic?

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/ssylvia120_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ25

http://cgi.ebay.com/Joe-Jackson-Tribune-Card-87_W0QQitemZ150358307362QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Sports_Memorabilia?hash=item23020db222&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:1|66:1|39:1|293:1|294:25

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lou-Gehrig-1933-Delong-Gum-Co-7-Card_W0QQitemZ150358307474QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Sports_Memorabilia?hash=item23020db292&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:1|66:1|39:1|293:1|294:25

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cy-young-old-baseball-card_W0QQitemZ150358313000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sports_Cards?hash=item23020dc828&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:1|66:1|39:1|293:1|294:25

nam812 · July 11, 2009 11:04PM

<< <i>......He has a Cy Young card up. Is that authentic? >>

I am not saying this to be mean, but I suspect that eBay may not be right for you Tom.

slantycouch · July 11, 2009 11:32PM

<< <i>He has a Cy Young card up. Is that authentic? >>

After everything you went through with this seller already, what on earth would make you even think it might be?

Edited to add: I would highly suggest buying from only reputable dealers. Ebay is swarming with fakes, and it's easy to get ripped off if you don't have a lot of experience with vintage cards.

WinPitcher · July 12, 2009 12:33AM

Even though you got your money back the seller deserves a negative.

Steve

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