The New Lincoln Varieties
silverchris
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I think PCGS and NGC both are missing out on alot by not gradeing them. I also heard that the T.V. guys are going to start selling them. So i think when they see either ANACS or ICG graded ones selling then they will make up some stupid excuse and start gradeing them.
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I wouldnt be surprised though. Sounds like there is going to be more than enough to sell them like that.
I also think PCGS and NGC will come around to the bigger ones, if not just the biggest one. I dont see why not though. Its the hundred year coin after all.
I take it you like Lincolns?
but eventually i,m sure they will.
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<< <i>Welcome to the forum! If that is true about the TV guys selling, I can't wait to hear Robert Chambers hype them up and ask $250 a coin
More like $300. Knowing them and the way they work.
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Glad to be here.
Too bad billy mays isnt here to hawk them
Interested to see what happens when these hit tv. Glad I bought a couple boxes already.
I'll go through them on a rainy day I guess.
<< <i>I'll go through them on a rainy day I guess. >>
That was my plan which normally would have lasted me through the summer...
Let's just say the weather in Mass. has let me open 30 boxes so far
IMHO
TD
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Sir, you have logic on your side, no doubt, but, Tom, these are cents. They get away with murder. Would anybody have paid any attention to the 1960 and 1970 small and large dates, if it had happened on any other denomination?
<< <i>Though interesting, the Lincoln extra finger varieties are too many and too minor, just like the Minnesota quarter extra trees.
IMHO
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True there are quite a few and now it seems they are finding different ones in bank rolls also. Still many of us believe these are worth getting atleast one of each for our OWN COLLECTIONS. To be honest like you say they are interesting. It's not everyday you find a new DD with the new single squeeze minting. Some of these are just more dramatic than others similar to the MINN state quarters, and these few will be the real collectables in the future. The minor ones are only for filling spots in our collections. I am very happy to have been a small part of these and glad a lot of you feel the same way.
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<< <i><<Though interesting, the Lincoln extra finger varieties are too many and too minor, just like the Minnesota quarter extra trees.
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Sir, you have logic on your side, no doubt, but, Tom, these are cents. They get away with murder. Would anybody have paid any attention to the 1960 and 1970 small and large dates, if it had happened on any other denomination? >>
But, with the 1960 cents there were only two date sizes, large or small. And it was a deliberate change on the part of the Mint.
The double die cents have multiple varieties (how many are there now, anyways?) and they are accidental.
I think they are fun, and would look for them in my change it there were any 2009 cents circulating, but there aren't. That is another thing hurting them, popularity-wise.
TD
This is the 100th anni of the lincoln cent and anything that can be promoted with it, WILL be promoted. Check CCE (certified coin exchange) and Coinnet as there are several buy offers for boxes in the right date ranges with bids at or above fleabay prices.
Someone must have a secondary outlet as a couple of the posts are 1-1000 or more sets.
I would take the TV running these with a grain of salt, but its a very small grain when some of the big boys are starting to play. As soon as someone gets a group of 1k or 2k of these holdered I expect to see them on tv. JMHO but a semi educated guess.
The double die cents have multiple varieties (how many are there now, anyways?) and they are accidental.>>
Your logic wins again. But I was thinking of some deliberate mint changes also. Consider the two quarter obverses of 1951-1952 and the two half obverses of 1971. I consider these two the equal of the small date/large date cents. Even the quarter reverse type B has some popularity and mention in the Red Book, but not its own line listings. This variety, I consider way ahead of the small/ large date cents.
<< <i>1983 & 84 DD lincolns are far more "minor" than these coins. >>
Some may agree with you on the '84, but the 83 DDR is MUCH more dramatic than an extra finger.
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<< <i>1983 & 84 DD lincolns are far more "minor" than these coins. >>
Some may agree with you on the '84, but the 83 DDR is MUCH more dramatic than an extra finger. >>
.......i agree, the 83 is almost as nice as the 55 & 72 DD's
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<< <i>1983 & 84 DD lincolns are far more "minor" than these coins. >>
Some may agree with you on the '84, but the 83 DDR is MUCH more dramatic than an extra finger. >>
Those days are gone. With modern die production there will never again be a 1955, 1972, 1983, 1995 Doubled die.
So, no matter how "minor" one may view the DDRs to be, compared to DDs of the PAST, these "fingers" are modern DDRs
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<< <i>1983 & 84 DD lincolns are far more "minor" than these coins. >>
Some may agree with you on the '84, but the 83 DDR is MUCH more dramatic than an extra finger. >>
Those days are gone. With modern die production there will never again be a 1955, 1972, 1983, 1995 Doubled die.
So, no matter how "minor" one may view the DDRs to be, compared to DDs of the PAST, these "fingers" are modern DDRs >>
No argument from me that those days are gone, but to say that the 84 DDO and 83 DDR are 'minor' compared to the 09 DDR 'extra fingers' is nonsense.
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<< <i>1983 & 84 DD lincolns are far more "minor" than these coins. >>
Some may agree with you on the '84, but the 83 DDR is MUCH more dramatic than an extra finger. >>
Those days are gone. With modern die production there will never again be a 1955, 1972, 1983, 1995 Doubled die.
So, no matter how "minor" one may view the DDRs to be, compared to DDs of the PAST, these "fingers" are modern DDRs >>
No argument from me that those days are gone, but to say that the 84 DDO and 83 DDR are 'minor' compared to the 09 DDR 'extra fingers' is nonsense. >>
wexler or crawford? The wexler 1,2,3,6,7 are far more dramatic then a small almost insig doubling of an earlobe. The 83 is more visible but still less than the better extra finger varieties.
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<< <i>No argument from me that those days are gone, but to say that the 84 DDO and 83 DDR are 'minor' compared to the 09 DDR 'extra fingers' is nonsense. >>
wexler or crawford? The wexler 1,2,3,6,7 are far more dramatic then a small almost insig doubling of an earlobe. The 83 is more visible but still less than the better extra finger varieties. >>
I just took a look through the coppercoins.com website to have a look at wexler 1,2,6,7 DDR's. I'm not sure why, but wexler DDR#3 is not listed there. Anyway, let's have a look see at all of them including the 84 DDO as well as the 83 DDR. All of the images are from coppercoins.com
wexler DDR#1:
wexler DDR#2:
wexler DDR#6:
wexler DDR#7:
The preceding are 'better', more obvious, and major compared to the following?
1983 DDR#1:
1984 DDO#1:
Again, maybe some will agree with you on the 84 DDO#1, but I'm not seeing it on the 83 DDR. How many of the 09 DDR's do you have to sell, anyway?
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The days of what we've come to cherish as Doubled Dies is GONE!!!! No more '55s, '69s, '72s, '83s, '95s.
That type of doubling can no longer occur in modern "single squeeze" die production.
These are modern doubled dies and should be recognized by their own merit, not compared to days gone by.
People inherently refuse to accept change.........old dogs, new tricks, I guess.
No offense to anyone, I'm not that young myself.
I think these are extremely significant, considering a 3 month production life.
Change comes again 8/13 !!!!
This is an absurd statement. Just compare the photos, the doubling is far more dramatic.
I think what sets the '84 apart is that you can actually SEE something recognizable in the form of doubling. It happens to be the ear and a little bit of the bowtie. But you can clearly see the doubled images of both. These 2009's may be real doubled dies, and the experts have given their nods of approval, but they are "extra fingers" only in blotches and lumps. I have yet to see one example exhibit classic doubling.
As someone else posted, we live in the "single squeeze" era, and the days of giant doubled dies are gone. But not entirely gone. Since '95 we got a nice DDO in '96 on the date and "TRUST," the controversial '97 doubled ear (again, not very clear), a couple really nice DDR's from both P and D mints in 2004 that covers most of the reverse, and in 2006 we got a beautiful doubled die obverse that is just slightly less dramatic than 1995! We also have the Duke Ellington quarter which has very clear and dramatic doubling of letters. (And they LOOK like letters! There is no debating that.)
I can understand the excitement over these coins. We lincoln collectors are always looking for that next "discovery" to breath life into the series. The "varieties" are what makes lincoln collecting so intriguing. No date/mintmark is particularly scarce in the memorials, but you can still hit the lottery by finding that one out of this world doubled die or "Close AM."
I may be wrong, but I can't see these things taking off.
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None of the 2009 doubled dies found so far can play in the big league like the 83 or 84 but they're still fun.
One of my favorites is this 2006 because I can cherry them without a loupe, the 00 in the date with football shaped centers shows up well. This one is listed as coppercoins 1DO-010 and Coneca die-5.
Nice DDO for a single squeezed coin.
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None of the 2009 doubled dies found so far can play in the big league like the 83 or 84 but they're still fun.
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72/72 and 55/55 are major league
83 & 84 are more like AA or AAA
<< <i>17,55,58,72 double dies are the big league. 83,84 are double aa ball all day long. >>
I stand corrected the 17 is aaa/major league although the demand is quite a bit smaller. Have any 58's been found that are in pub hands? Don't keep up with C/w & numis news a lot, but if not its like shoeless Joe after the ban. The 69-s could be considered a major league coin, but with the low pop & fact that is not widely known might make it a pinch hitter with a big contract who doesnt show up a lot or is injured.
Love the analogies!!!
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<< <i>17,55,58,72 double dies are the big league. 83,84 are double aa ball all day long. >>
I stand corrected the 17 is aaa/major league although the demand is quite a bit smaller. Have any 58's been found that are in pub hands? Don't keep up with C/w & numis news a lot, but if not its like shoeless Joe after the ban. The 69-s could be considered a major league coin, but with the low pop & fact that is not widely known might make it a pinch hitter with a big contract who doesnt show up a lot or is injured.
Love the analogies!!! >>
You must forgive me you are correct the 69 is definetly a grand slam in a roll all by it's self. But from someone who has seen an error/variety or three in there day. This is definetly somewhere in the AA or AAA ball. So are the 83 and 84. Just remember that playing AA or AAA beats not playing at all. For those of you who didn't do your homework up untill the early 1960's an UNC roll of 55 double dies and UNC roll of 50D nickels sold for about the same price. Which one would you rather have?
I'll take the nickels since I can get a candy bar with them at the store.
<< <i>1983 & 84 DD lincolns are far more "minor" than these coins.
This is the 100th anni of the lincoln cent and anything that can be promoted with it, WILL be promoted. Check CCE (certified coin exchange) and Coinnet as there are several buy offers for boxes in the right date ranges with bids at or above fleabay prices.
Someone must have a secondary outlet as a couple of the posts are 1-1000 or more sets.
I would take the TV running these with a grain of salt, but its a very small grain when some of the big boys are starting to play. As soon as someone gets a group of 1k or 2k of these holdered I expect to see them on tv. JMHO but a semi educated guess. >>
Anyone verify the CCE bids? Not a CCE member so would be interested to know. Might give me a better idea of whether to sell or hold the boxes I have.
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>Only time will tell they will Grade it soon, But only after they get ther fill then it will be worth it to grade them for us.
You mean the bids are on there? If a couple guys on cce are bidding then somethings in the works.
<< <i>Bueller bueller? Anyone? >>
Clue me in on this one
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<< <i>Bueller bueller? Anyone? >>
Clue me in on this one >>
Wondering if anyone can confirm bids on CCE (certified coin exchange) for sealed 2 roll boxes?
Are they there? If so it means probably good things for people holding them./
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Wondering if anyone can confirm bids on CCE (certified coin exchange) for sealed 2 roll boxes?
Are they there? If so it means probably good things for people holding them./ >>
I'm not a member. Why should we be watching this?
I might grab more boxes at local & regional shows if it looks like someones going to promote them.
<< <i>TV guys meaning QVC or HSN? >>
Any or all of the above. Not sure just tv was mentioned so might be anyone of the 4 or 5 coin scavenger tv networks.
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<< <i>TV guys meaning QVC or HSN? >>
Any or all of the above. Not sure just tv was mentioned so might be anyone of the 4 or 5 coin scavenger tv networks. >>
If that happens are we looking at $100+ boxes?
Looking through the box thread looks like an average of 8-12 per box. Depends on what they jam them out at and the number they can move.
<< <i>Dunno. Probably that or more for the "right" ones. Depends on which they promote if they dont promote them all.
Looking through the box thread looks like an average of 8-12 per box. Depends on what they jam them out at and the number they can move. >>
Key dates are already selling on Ebay For $50-$60
Anything I should be careful of saying/not saying?
I completely disagree with this statement.
Look at all the gold denoms with small dat/large dates, or any of the Seated coins early on in the series... Theres plenty of small date/large date coins out there.
The Lincolns are some of the most modern coins with this feature and deserve to be recognized.
JMO
It's partly based on hype, rarity, interest....
A few cent's that nobody cares about are the 1941 large and small S and the large and small date 1974 cents. In both cases they're easy to find in both types. I bet if the folders had a hole for them they'd be more recognized.