Thank you to PennyLady and Blu62vette

zeebob

Thanks to PennyLady and Blu62vette, I'm now the proud owner of,



Thanks you two! The coin is definitely an upgrade for my collection and the photo is a nice kicker!

stinkinlincoln

Great coin, and great pic. I love how the label fades in the back. Really top notch.

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OneCent

Great looking "Cop Nick" Zeebob!!! That is one nice coin.

zeebob

<< <i>Is this the color of what a cu/ni should look like? >>



I dunno. But the color on my monitor is exactly the color of the coin (which I have set next to my monitor).

GrumpyEd

I like the gold color.

Is that a RPD, something shows on the 4?

ArizonaJack

Both Todd and Charmy are class acts. I have used Todd's pic service and bought and sold coins with The Penny Lady, always a pleasant transaction.
Now, if we could only get Todd to the poker table

Edscoin

Thats a nice Indian.

DieClash

Charmy has good taste in small copper cents and Todd can really take a professional quality image! Congrats zeebob!

zeebob

<< <i>I like the gold color.

Is that a RPD, something shows on the 4? >>



I don't know what RPD means - sorry. What does it mean? "Repunched date", maybe? Looking at the coin with a loupe reveals that the pointy bit at 9:00 on the four does seem to have some outline under it.

All I know is that the carbon spots are a lot smaller and are far fewer than on my other example. I'm a happy camper today! woo-hoo.

Now I just gotta sent this puppy into PCGS so they can reholder it into a new holder so it will stack properly with the rest of the collection.

ArizonaJack

OMG, lol, you had a rattler sent in for reholder just so it stacks right?

As for the 4/4, it appears as if it's the defective digit punch and not an RPD, I am guessing and no expert. Hopefully Rick or Charmy could confirm this.

dizzyfoxx

Beautiful coin, great date, love the "rattler".

stinkinlincoln

<<Now I just gotta sent this puppy into PCGS so they can reholder it into a new holder so it will stack properly with the rest of the collection. >>


Are you smoking something?



I get wanting to stack them nicely, but seriously? Id keep it right where it is. Its copper, and it has been fine in that holder for sooooo long. Why chance it now?

zeebob

<< <i>OMG, lol, you had a rattler sent in for reholder just so it stacks right? >>



Not yet, I was going to wait until payday on Friday. I don't like the funny holder much. It doesn't rattle and it's not green. For sure it doesn't stack right with the new holders.

edited to add: uh, okay, I see another post or two regarding the "rattler holder." I apologize for my ignorance here, but does it make that much difference what holder the coin is in? I know some screwy holders, like the black NGC slab, are collected by some people, but I didn't think anything of the coin I just bought being in a rattler. I liked the look of the coin, Charmy and Todd both have good taste and PCGS, of course, had their brand on the TPG opinion.

If you guys don't think it's a good idea to send in the coin for a reholder, I won't. I honestly didn't think anything of it (well, except that the new holder would look funny in the SD box with the rest of the PCGS coins - all in their little stackable blue holders).

Thanks for the heads up and info.

stinkinlincoln

<< I don't like the funny holder much. It doesn't rattle and it's not green. For sure it doesn't stack right with the new holders. >>




Another one bites the dust...





I beg you man, please dont reholder that thing!


But, if you do, get the truview.

ArizonaJack

DONT reholder that coin, just start buying more of them in those old holders. They will stack just fine

OneCent

<< <i>DONT reholder that coin, just start buying more of them in those old holders. They will stack just fine >>




What he said.


The "Rattler" has a mystique that adds a certain degree of marketability to a coin if and when you decide to sell.

zeebob

Okay, no reholdering. I didn't mean to go down a bad road. I didn't realize there was a premium for this type of holder. I mean, I've heard the term "rattler" (this coin doesn't rattle), and OGH's are supposed to have better odds at an upgrade (although, I heard that isn't so true as it was five years ago). But I didn't realize it was bad to reholder "rattles."

I can live with it not stacking. I won't reholder it. I'll just send it in for a CAC sticker with rest of the collection, as is.

SeattleSlammer

What's not to like?

FilthyBroke

It does look like a RPD (repunched date) to me but I'm not sure if that adds any premium. Nice coin!

DieClash

Looks like die clash marks on the obverse too. This coin's got a lot goin' for it!

stinkinlincoln

<<Okay, no reholdering. I didn't mean to go down a bad road. I didn't realize there was a premium for this type of holder. I mean, I've heard the term "rattler" (this coin doesn't rattle), and OGH's are supposed to have better odds at an upgrade (although, I heard that isn't so true as it was five years ago). But I didn't realize it was bad to reholder "rattles."

I can live with it not stacking. I won't reholder it. I'll just send it in for a CAC sticker with rest of the collection, as is. >>



I think this is a great choice.



One other thing about these holders, with copper and any other coins really, you know its been years since the coin was out and about. No one has directly touched the surfaces in any way, so you know its not been dipped or altered in any way since then.
Personally I like these holders and if the coin was choice, Id pay up for it.

pakasmom

Wow. I had one that color in the pile of coins I inherited... Dealer told me he thought it had been electroplated/ruined and gave me a buck for it. Bummer.

Congrats, Bob! Really nice coin and nice to see you.

ThePennyLady

Hi Bob, I'm so glad you like the coin, I thought it was pretty with no problems. And yes, I neglected to mention that it does have a repunched date, so that's an added little bonus! And I agree about not reholdering the coin. When your email mentioned that was your intention, I was going to call you to try and discourage you and am glad to see the forum did it for me. Rattler holders can garner higher premiums if/when you go to sell this coin. However, if you wanted, you could try to get it upgraded, since that is why rattlers can sell for higher premiums, the thinking being that grading in the 80's, when this coin was graded, was stricter so often rattler coins can upgrade to a higher grade.

Any way, the bottom line is that you are happy with this coin - that's what's most important!

ArizonaJack

Charmy, please refer to page 177 of your Snow binder.....it appears as if the coin is not an S-2 or S-4, but the defective punch Rick describes at the top of the page. Help me out here doll, I am trying to learn as I go

NumisOxide

That's a beauty! First gen. holder to boot.

stinkinlincoln

<<Wow. I had one that color in the pile of coins I inherited... Dealer told me he thought it had been electroplated/ruined and gave me a buck for it. Bummer.>>



And you sold it for a buck because?



Why wouldnt you look at a price guide, or get a second opinion?

BlindedByEgo

That's a nice color for CN - I like it. I will pile on as to the "leave it alone in that holder" statements. Leave well enough alone.

illini420

Nice coin, but keep the rattler. I know some folks will pay more for them thinking there's a decent upgrade chance, but not everyone buys into that. For me though, when I'm looking at nice 150 year old copper I'll pay extra if it's in a rattler or an old green holder just to reassure me a little more that the color is the real deal and is stable and that it won't grow spots or residue or anything like that.

19Lyds

<< <i><<Wow. I had one that color in the pile of coins I inherited... Dealer told me he thought it had been electroplated/ruined and gave me a buck for it. Bummer.>>



And you sold it for a buck because?



Why wouldnt you look at a price guide, or get a second opinion? >>



Most folks that are new to coins have absolutely no idea where to turn or where to go to get information and I expect that he simply took the dealers word for it that the coin was no good!

Try to remember that the folks here know so much because we share our knowledge. This is not the case for some unscrupulous dealers and I'm sure most folks have had this experience.

stinkinlincoln

<<Most folks that are new to coins have absolutely no idea where to turn or where to go to get information and I expect that he simply took the dealers word for it that the coin was no good!

Try to remember that the folks here know so much because we share our knowledge. This is not the case for some unscrupulous dealers and I'm sure most folks have had this experience. >>


Good points.


It is a shame if you were a newb and got swindled like this.

pakasmom

Thanks Lee. Yes, I was brand new and didn't know where to turn. And I had to sell some of the coins to give the siblings their fair share. Kept the ones I couldn't bear to part with...

And after two years in this hobby,

now I know better than to trust anybody.

zeebob

Wow, this was quite an education. I'll keep it in the holder. I don't think it would upgrade, but I bought it because I like it much better than the other one I have.

Plus it gave me a reason to sort through $1000 in John Tyler presidential dollars to be able to roll up enough to pay for the coin. Just for the record, not a single one of the 1000 John Tyler DENVER dollars I looked at will go MS67, and I think maybe 1 or 2 will go MS66. What a disappointment that exercise was. But the brick of dollars is gone. I got a nice new 1864 CN and put the difference back into the checking account for my next box of presidential dollars. I wonder who the next president (#11) will be.

Pakasmom - I'm sorry to hear about your Dad's coin. That's terrible! Dishonest people suck.

19Lyds

You are welcome!

I myself only "stumbled" across PCGS back around 2001. Up till then, I had few clues about anything! I remember getting taken by a dealer in Santa Clara back in the 70's paying $125 for what turned out to be an MS63 1925 Peace Dollar!

When I found out I was livid and looked that sucker up one side and down the other at one of the local shows there when I ran into him! There was little I could do at the time other than tell him he was a creep for ripping me off. His response was that he had to make a living! Harrumph!

Generally speaking, most folks who know nothing about coins are such easy marks and there are plenty of dealers and collectors out there that can smell their blood within 50 feet!

ChrisRx

I like it!

blu62vette

Bob got a great coin here. I really liked the look of it in hand. I forgot to mention to Bob that when shot these photos my cousin was there and I was showing her some of the cool things you can do with coins. Just so happens I shot close-ups of the date and never mentioned it to Bob. These are not the best but should help with what is going on with the 4.

ThePennyLady

<< <i>Charmy, please refer to page 177 of your Snow binder.....it appears as if the coin is not an S-2 or S-4, but the defective punch Rick describes at the top of the page. Help me out here doll, I am trying to learn as I go >>



Hey Jack, I am out of town on vacation and don't have my coin books with me to look up which Snow it is. I'll have to check when I get home tomorrow unless someone else can tell.

p.s. Not only great photos, as usual, Todd, but those are some amazing close ups!!!

asheland

Great looking coin!
I like the early holders, especially with the copper coins!

MikeInFL

Very nice coin!

Looks to have claims to a 65 if you send it in -- but I would keep it as-is. Not only does it say something about the grading standard, but it also suggests that the coin is stable as it's been quite a long time since PCGS slabbed that coin.

Congrats!

Res

<< <i>Thanks Lee. Yes, I was brand new and didn't know where to turn. And I had to sell some of the coins to give the siblings their fair share. Kept the ones I couldn't bear to part with...

And after two years in this hobby,

now I know better than to trust anybody. >>



So you got to split up a dollar?

Walkerguy21D

Nice coin!
Regarding reholdering, I agree in this instance you probably would not want to reholder....but not in every instance. I bought a 33S walker in a 64 rattler that either was or became heavily 'hazed'.....I committed the crime of sending it to NGC for conservation and reholdering, and at least to me, the coin looks much nicer now.....and it really is all about the coin and not holder afterall, isn't it?

golfer72

What color is the coin? The slab doesnt say RD,RB,or BN. Did they not use that designation back then? Great coin by the way. Keep it where it is.

blu62vette

<< <i>What color is the coin? The slab doesnt say RD,RB,or BN. Did they not use that designation back then? Great coin by the way. Keep it where it is. >>



MY understanding is a copper nickel cent does not get those designations.....