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bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I really liked the minimum hits this coin had.....can you guess the grade ?

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  • JazzmanJABJazzmanJAB Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭
    AU 58
  • ShortieShortie Posts: 72
    NGC AU-58
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Damn, you 2 guys are good.....its an NGC 58 indeed,
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice original color and clean surfaces.image

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oooh! I like that coin!
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I know nothing about gold but the number that came to mind is 58. Scrolling down I see others had the same feeling. --Jerry
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭
    Or they just clicked properties and saw NGC AU-58 under the file name image
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  • maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
    Wierd because the surfaces appear to be hairlined. But then, that could just be from contact marks. Appears to have 55-58 wear and has a nice color to it...
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    55

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    92, cleaned

    Genuine, but nice

    IF it graded, AU55

    bob
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>92, cleaned

    Genuine, but nice

    IF it graded, AU55

    bob >>



    I'm with him, It it mark free but has been wiped
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>92, cleaned

    Genuine, but nice

    IF it graded, AU55

    bob >>



    I'm thinking Bob knows what he's talking about.
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  • ShortieShortie Posts: 72


    << <i>

    << <i>92, cleaned

    Genuine, but nice

    IF it graded, AU55

    bob >>



    I'm thinking Bob knows what he's talking about. >>



    Really? I do not think he has a clue.
  • stinkinlincolnstinkinlincoln Posts: 2,733 ✭
    Why ask for grade opinions and then give the grade away after two guesses? image


    Also, I like the rev die cracks around UNITED STATES. Grades in the AU's, but wiped like other have said.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,370 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>92, cleaned

    Genuine, but nice

    IF it graded, AU55

    bob >>



    I'm thinking Bob knows what he's talking about. >>



    Really? I do not think he has a clue. >>



    I think you're right.image



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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From what I understand NGC is a bit forgiving with hairlines and /or very light cleaning on century and half old gold. But, I may wrong about that, though I think I read it on their website once.....something to that effect.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this coin was enhanced, it was done in isolated areas and it if that was done, then the lustre would be inconsistent on the coin. Without seeing this in hand, it looks original.

    I like the coin- 55 seems right, however, I could be persuaded after seeing it in hand to change my opinion

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  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    The die brake through UNITED STATES is interesting. Is that typical for this date/type?
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  • BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The lighting conditions may be enhancing the appearance of the abrasions. Based on the image, the luster seems to be somewhat subdued (but again could be lighting). There is slight wear/rub on the portrait and on the upper wing and tips. I think a grade of AU55 or 58 is appropriate, and I agree that the coin has relatively few significant contact marks/hits. Overall, a nice example of this first year of issue double eagle.

    Die cracks on the reverse along the peripheral lettering are very common for this issue. Also, this is the closed 5 variety.

    The 1850 is always in high demand as the first year of issue, but is actually more common than many Philadelphia Type 1’s. You might be surprised to learn that PCGS has graded 729 1850 $20’s in all grades, yet only 455 1851 $20’s in all grades (1851 is considered a "common" date in the series).

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Crossed to PCGS at AU 58.......now I am going to try for the bean!image
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine. Cleaned. or AU53


    bob

    EDITED: Oooops, I already guessed a bit higher on a different day. But, I stayed with cleaned!
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw that you have already posted the grade, and NGC has the advantage of examining the coin in person. However, just for fun, after examining the photos that you provided earlier in this thread, I'd grade the obverse an AU-58 and the reverse an AU-53 for a net grade of AU-55.

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  • stinkinlincolnstinkinlincoln Posts: 2,733 ✭
    <<Crossed to PCGS at AU 58.......now I am going to try for the bean>>


    I guess PCGS is a bit forgiving as well... image
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Stuart. AU-55 as well.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I am sorry but I have to say it's been cleaned as well. AU58 seems to be in line with the way these are graded.
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin crossed to PCGS as a AU 58 and I was just told today it got the CAC bean .image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw the coin in hand and was, apparently, wrong in my assessment. image
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS 53, NGC 58
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was going to say AU55 before I saw the grade. I did forget to hit the NGC calibration button on my grading machine and that could explain my 3 point deviation. image
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  • BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the limited wear and relatively few abrasions, I think it looks AU55-AU58.

    1850 was the most abundant double eagle in the Baltimore Coin hoard with 92 coins uncovered. It is not unreasonable to think that this coin could have been among that group.

    There is an excellent interview on the subject in the link below.

    Baltimore Gold Coin Hoard Thread

  • JungleFeverJungleFever Posts: 516
    http://www.numismotography.com/commercial/bidask/usa_

    20D_1850_NGC_AU58_o.jpg



    No guessing involved, it's embedded in your coin image

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