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this is why i do not sympathize with the uneducated

seatedcollectorseatedcollector Posts: 976 ✭
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with all the warnings, and information available, makes a person wonder if some ebay bidders arent simply brain dead !!!

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,260 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sadly, the high bidder probably represents the intelligence level (or lack thereof) of a large percentage of the people residing in the USA. The percentage is increasing, unfortunately.

    Maybe one day there will be a new Federal Agency charged with protecting consumers who collect coins (NOT).

    If people who collect can not learn about things going on in the hobby today (with information far beyond one's imagination available with a few mouse clicks), they deserve what they get.
  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's easier to catch fish from a farm pond that no one uses, than catching fish from a lake that everyone uses.
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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Expensive lesson.
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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Everything that seller has listed is fake. Reported.
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Expensive to some but not enough to really hurt and just enough to learn a lesson.
  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    The "twoman coin store" out of Hangzhou, China. I guess the 1895-S Morgan is his best deal on fake U.S. coinage. Also a source for the increasingly popular Michael Jackson commemorative.
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    I e-mailed the idiot seller and told him he's selling obvious fakes and that he's being reported to eBay. His response: "Please tell me why you think is fake...Thanks" He's probably trying to get feedback on how to make the fakes look more legit.

    His next response: "Oh.my god...Sell my people say this to be true. 100% true...I was cheated?
    Thanks"

    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • MPLunaticMPLunatic Posts: 617 ✭✭
    Thank you for your bid , good luck four you image
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    reply: "it's obviously not silver"


    and does liberty look unusually happy?



    hey! he's got the MJ coins with the ripped off picture of Che Guevara!


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  • Alexcoincollector2004Alexcoincollector2004 Posts: 22
    ok I'm a newbie so BE NICE!

    what wrong w/ that coin exactly to know it's a fake tell me all please I would rather learn and be flamed here then to be burned by buying a fake later

    here's my 2 cents...
  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
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    Pretty good fake if you ask me. I do not collect this series™.

  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    Adam beat me to it.

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  • kahokiakahokia Posts: 140 ✭✭
    I know nothing about seated liberty dollars. I'd be a likely chump. However, on the reverse, the "L" in "DOI" might save me from bidding.
    We are digging the pit of Babel.
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  • Alexcoincollector2004Alexcoincollector2004 Posts: 22
    so the biggest part is in the stars on the front that I can see. what else am i missing on that coin?
    here's my 2 cents...
  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ok I'm a newbie so BE NICE!

    what wrong w/ that coin exactly to know it's a fake tell me all please I would rather learn and be flamed here then to be burned by buying a fake later >>



    #1 main reason:Seller is in China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Do Not Buy Coins From China.99.99% chance they are FAKE!!image
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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>ok I'm a newbie so BE NICE!

    what wrong w/ that coin exactly to know it's a fake tell me all please I would rather learn and be flamed here then to be burned by buying a fake later >>



    #1 main reason:Seller is in China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Do Not Buy Coins From China.99.99% chance they are FAKE!!image >>



    Unfortunately, that is not enough to identify a counterfeit. As you know, plenty of stuff is shipped to the US Mainland from China.

    The main thing I see is that the fake coin has a surface that one would never see on a real old silver coin.

    It takes some familiarity with coin surfaces to feel comfortable saying that.


  • seatedcollectorseatedcollector Posts: 976 ✭
    it was not my intention to bash the seller but rather bring attention to the fact that even with all the available cautions about fake seated dollars, there are still people that seemingly cant read or dont care to educate themselves before they buy seated dollars.
  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478 ✭
    Nice rant.

    For the uneducated though, it would have been nice for the OP to point out the warnings and information available, instead of just calling him brain dead.

    Edited to add, didn't mean that to sound as crappy as when I re-read it, I am one of the brain dead who would like to learn from this post.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the reverse made me think "carved from marble?"

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  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    The surface appears to have more the look of pot metal. There seems to be some lump or protrusion at the obverse rim at eight o'clock. The rim, edges and denticles are a bit funky. Seems to be some raised material around the edges. Can't really compare the stars to the uncirculated examples. The metal just has a flat and even look you usually don't see with silver. No contrast between the fields and devices. However, they are also faking this stuff in silver.
  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    If you've ever obtained one (like out of bowl full of them for $3.00 ea.), you'll recognize other characteristics. Lack of detail, porous surface, lots of very small bumps (forget the term for those).
  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭
    I didn't look into the buyers history, but there is also the chance that he knows what he is buying but hopes he can find someone who doesn't......image
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I didn't look into the buyers history, but there is also the chance that he knows what he is buying but hopes he can find someone who doesn't......image >>

    Yep, they could just be using eBay to get the goods into the US for further distribution.

    On the flip side, they take PayPal and the prices is fully guaranteed!
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,579 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>However, they are also faking this stuff in silver. >>




    I guess I could see that happening since the spot for these is very much less than the "faked" price.


    btw, I wasn't actually thinking it was carved of marble... it just reminds me of that... dull, flat color.
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    The coin has that cast look, it could still be silver but the color and surfaces look off.

    While I can't point to any one thing that would make this counterfeit, what I mentioned plus the fact it comes out of China is enough for me to suggest to anyone I know they should not bid on this item.

    As Adam stated being from China alone does not mean it is fake, there are a couple of dealers from China that sell real coins, just most on e-bay don't.
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I would not assume that any of the bidders on the coin are real, either.
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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,035 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>ok I'm a newbie so BE NICE!

    what wrong w/ that coin exactly to know it's a fake tell me all please I would rather learn and be flamed here then to be burned by buying a fake later >>



    #1 main reason:Seller is in China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Do Not Buy Coins From China.99.99% chance they are FAKE!!image >>



    Unfortunately, that is not enough to identify a counterfeit. As you know, plenty of stuff is shipped to the US Mainland from China.

    The main thing I see is that the fake coin has a surface that one would never see on a real old silver coin.

    It takes some familiarity with coin surfaces to feel comfortable saying that. >>




    Less than one minute of background check on this seller reveals this. (If the look of the coin didn't turn anyone off to begin with).


    Thank you very much for biding! We are a Chinese professional manufacturer of CHALLENGE COINS, The company's main business is manufacturing and designing sorts of challenges coins, commemorative coins, medals, key ring, the army and police badges and other products.

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>ok I'm a newbie so BE NICE!

    what wrong w/ that coin exactly to know it's a fake tell me all please I would rather learn and be flamed here then to be burned by buying a fake later >>



    #1 main reason:Seller is in China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Do Not Buy Coins From China.99.99% chance they are FAKE!!image >>



    Unfortunately, that is not enough to identify a counterfeit. As you know, plenty of stuff is shipped to the US Mainland from China.

    The main thing I see is that the fake coin has a surface that one would never see on a real old silver coin.

    It takes some familiarity with coin surfaces to feel comfortable saying that. >>




    Less than one minute of background check on this seller reveals this. (If the look of the coin didn't turn anyone off to begin with).


    Thank you very much for biding! We are a Chinese professional manufacturer of CHALLENGE COINS, The company's main business is manufacturing and designing sorts of challenges coins, commemorative coins, medals, key ring, the army and police badges and other products. >>

    At least they're not trying to pull a fast one .... oh wait image
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