PCGS is NOT going to recognize the 2009 Lincoln Doubled Dies

clackamas

Probably already discussed, if it was I missed it, but in a call to PCGS customer service today I was told PCGS will not recognize the formative year doubled dies. dang I have 100 of them, I guess you snooze you loose. NGC????

Cam40

did they say why they arent recognizing this error/variety?

stinkinlincoln

<< but in a call to PCGS customer service today I was told PCGS will not recognize the formative year doubled dies.>>



<<did they say why they arent recognizing this error/variety?>> Didnt you read the OP?

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i><< but in a call to PCGS customer service today I was told PCGS will not recognize the formative year doubled dies.>>



<<did they say why they arent recognizing this error/variety?>> Didnt you read the OP? >>



He asked why.

boucharda

Right now it's ANACS only....snoozing and loosing are PCGS and NGC

JungleFever

Has anyone tried the other TPG which bought out PCI. they may do it. I forgot their name, but they sound like they want to raise the bar.

Manorcourtman

<< <i>Has anyone tried the other TPG which bought out PCI. they may do it. I forgot their name, but they sound like they want to raise the bar. >>



DGS. Pretty decent people, but the market will murder you (pricewise) when you try to sell coins in their slabs!!

ziggy29

<< <i>Has anyone tried the other TPG which bought out PCI. they may do it. I forgot their name, but they sound like they want to raise the bar. >>

DGS. They do a pretty good job but the market (and eBay) won't recognize it.

sanitarium1inmate

<< <i>did they say why they arent recognizing this error/variety? >>


This above is the question on all our minds. Might I add these to the unanwsered questions.
Does PCGS not care enough about these to certify them? Are they too minor for a BIG company like this one? Do they not need our money?????
Just a few questions, not trying to bamm PCGS but come on give us a silly reason WHY? Any answer will do, they slabbed a die crack WOW a little die crack and not a genuine Doubled Die. Somebody's priorities are not in line.

MMR

I have already given some of my business to ANACS for these. If PCGS and NGC keep shunning these new DDRs I will continue to send them to ANACS. What other choice do I have?

packers88

I don't blame them, when you start recognizing errors left and right it takes away from the legitimate or good stuff.

Alexcoincollector2004

so could the rejection from pcgs and ngc be from an over abundance in these errors? that they are not just limited to mint boxes or what? or the fact there's like 16 or more varieties? I'm hoping they are limited to the mint boxes... they would be the 1st errors I've ever pulled from a roll


btw I'm a newbie to posting but been reading the forums here for about a month and I like what I see

Manorcourtman

<< <i>so could the rejection from pcgs and ngc be from an over abundance in these errors? that they are not just limited to mint boxes or what? or the fact there's like 16 or more varieties? I'm hoping they are limited to the mint boxes... they would be the 1st errors I've ever pulled from a roll


btw I'm a newbie to posting but been reading the forums here for about a month and I like what I see

>>



Welcome to the Nut house!! PCGS obviously doesn't care for these hard to see errors. It's their call, 'nuff said!

Walmann

Seems odd that both major TPGs won't recognize a verifiable variety yet encase thousands under the Early and First Strike labels.

MrOrganic

<< <i>Seems odd that both major TPGs won't recognize a verifiable variety yet encase thousands under the Early and First Strike labels. >>



winna winna chicken dinna!

early & first strike they will label! but legitimate varieties..NO? hhhmmm

JungleFever

<< <i>I don't blame them, when you start recognizing errors left and right it takes away from the legitimate or good stuff. >>




So let me see if I understand this: the "good stuff" is not double die coins? The lincolns are not legitimate double dies?

What is the 'real deal' here. sounds like some hidden agenda by PCGS at the moment. I notice they slabbed the 'speared bison' die crack
not as an error but as a regular coin. What gives?

Just my observation.

sinin1

you guys are complainging too early


and start your campaign to get these in the next edition of the cherrypickers guide

sanitarium1inmate

<< <i>you guys are complainging too early


and start your campaign to get these in the next edition of the cherrypickers guide >>



So, when should we complain that our favorite grading service company refuses to slab a proven variety/error on a coin? It's obviously a big deal on their message board,you would think that maybe someone would chime in and let us all know why?

relicsncoins

When you have to squint and tilt your head exactly 17.2 degrees plus have 10X magnification to see them, I wouldn't exactly call them exciting or "good stuff"

leothelyon

<< <i>When you have to squint and tilt your head exactly 17.2 degrees plus have 10X magnification to see them, I would exactly call them exciting or "good stuff" >>



"wouldn't"


Leo

HalfStrike

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Silverstate

<< <i>you guys are complainging too early


and start your campaign to get these in the next edition of the cherrypickers guide >>



That is the answer!!
When they are in the Cherry Pickers guide...Then PCGS will recognize them......

MikeInFL

BRAVO PCGS!

boucharda

I fail to see the difference between the Lincoln die varieties and the many, many Morgan VAMs....many of which you need to



<< <i> squint and tilt your head exactly 17.2 degrees plus have 10X magnification to see them >>



There are over 200 varieties of just the 1878 P Morgan

..and there are moans because of the "great number" (less than 20) varieties of this Lincoln.....all depends on where you are coming from

Those who don't have 'em knock 'em...and .those who went fishing through rolls and caught some like 'em

Manorcourtman

Keep in mind if they did grade 'em it would cost you $38 to slab one of these varieties ($24 variety attribution/$14 modern level grading) plus ins/postage. I just sent a 1997 Doubled Ear Lincoln and was quite shocked at the price tag!!

boucharda

<< <i>Keep in mind if they did grade 'em it would cost you $38 to slab one of these varieties ($24 variety attribution/$14 modern level grading) plus ins/postage >>



Good point but, you know, many here would fork up the cash...I like the $15 better

Maybe it's good that one company alone will be attributing these coins. It will give some consistency to the market and firm up prices. Everyone will be in the same playground.

koynekwest

<< <i>I have already given some of my business to ANACS for these. If PCGS and NGC keep shunning these new DDRs I will continue to send them to ANACS. What other choice do I have? >>



Try ICG. They are, in reality, the old ANACS.

Robb

The nice thing about PCGS not attributing the varieties is that I won't have to deal with their terrible customer service.

sanitarium1inmate

<< <i>The nice thing about PCGS not attributing the varieties is that I won't have to deal with their terrible customer service. >>


Or get overcharged to put a few extra letters on the label.

seanq

<< <i>

What is the 'real deal' here. sounds like some hidden agenda by PCGS at the moment. I notice they slabbed the 'speared bison' die crack
not as an error but as a regular coin. What gives?

Just my observation. >>




There were many here (myself included) who roundly criticized PCGS for giving the SB a coin number and recognizing the variety. I don't think it's a bad thing that they are taking a more measured approach to this one. As some others have said, get the coin into the Cherrypickers' Guide and PCGS will have no choice but to recognize it.


Sean Reynolds

ksteelheader

<< <i>

<< <i>

What is the 'real deal' here. sounds like some hidden agenda by PCGS at the moment. I notice they slabbed the 'speared bison' die crack
not as an error but as a regular coin. What gives?

Just my observation. >>




There were many here (myself included) who roundly criticized PCGS for giving the SB a coin number and recognizing the variety. I don't think it's a bad thing that they are taking a more measured approach to this one. As some others have said, get the coin into the Cherrypickers' Guide and PCGS will have no choice but to recognize it.


Sean Reynolds >>



I also criticised them for that one.

JungleFever

<< <i>When you have to squint and tilt your head exactly 17.2 degrees plus have 10X magnification to see them, I wouldn't exactly call them exciting or "good stuff" >>




Certain Overton varities require almost that amount of effort. But hey, that's what many coin collectors enjoy doing. It seems to me if a coin comes off a coin press
in a manner it was not designed for, it's noteworthy.

If there are a lot of varieties, hey, ya take what the mint hands you.... when you are a TPG.

pitboss

That's what we do to pass the time. It is real easy with my new dino lite

lope208

I haven't searched for these varieties yet, but I have read the posts about them on here.
I agree that for some, the variety is just kind of a nuisance right now. But it's still noteworthy.

I can understand them being patient here with so many varieties already found. But at the same
time, think about how much $$$ they lost on the '08/'07 Eagles when they waited an extra month
or so to recognize them. NGC made out huge on those initially.

DCW

Guys,
I am a big collector of lincoln varieties, but I have to say that I am not on board with these 2009 DDO's. I am not criticizing anyone here for collecting them or trying to downplay them while others are having fun. I say, "To each his own." For me though , I cannot share the enthusiasm.
They do not exhibit (in my eyes) true doubled dies. They look more like blotches in the center of the coin which happens to be by the hand. This seems to be the occurance with many of the recent doubled die finds. Always towards the center, "the kiss," I think Ken Potter calls it. My god, how many Minnesota trees did we count? None of them should carry a premium.
I think an exception would be this recent Washington D.C. quarter DDR found. This has a monster separation of letters I think on "Ellington." The ELL are DOUBLED. Easily distinguished with magnification. I don't think we can say the same thing about these lincolns. And guys, I am the first one to get excited when talk of a new Lincoln Cent Doubled Die starts up.
I dont own either of the coins I mentioned. Just an opinion.